Very true. So that equally applies to prayers that involve saints, the initial controversy we discussed.
Very true. So that equally applies to prayers that involve saints, the initial controversy we discussed.
I thought you were morphing it into a predestination/free will thing. :) But it certainly does make a difference whether we are including (departed) saints in the discussion. The Bible speaks often of living humans praying for other living humans. Therefore, we know that is good. However, we have great dispute as to whether the Bible supports departed saints receiving and passing along prayers made by humans on earth. I don't think your verses from Rev. 5 and 8 support that.