[Forest Keeper]

[On John 10:28:] The verse says they shall never perish which is translated can never be lost. The verse is parallelism in form; they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. They reinforce the same idea; you can't be lost.

YEAH! And I'm not even that bright and I can get this. What's the deal around here? :)

[D-fendr]

they can't be lost..

Or, rather if they are, they weren't really elect after all, right?

Accordingly, someone could say the sinners prayer and get lost, but then they weren't really saved, right?

So I see the POTS as really hindsight. Those that persevere are the elect, never lost; those that don't, get lost, but they were really reprobate. You don't have insurance until your claim comes due.

Claiming X is one who won't get lost is known by God's omniscience, but by man in hindsight.