I meant it as an innocent expression. How about like-dislike? :)
FK: "Unless the human ritual of Eucharist is salvation itself, isn't death a pretty harsh sentence to proclaim against all non-Apostolics?"
Not entirely... [See 1 Cor 11:28-30]
OK, I can see where that's coming from. You probably already know, but we apply that passage as to any unbelievers generally, not to believers who don't take the Supper as we do.
You have already pre-determined what the Scriptures teach despite what anyone says, and so anything that was written or believed by the entire Church 1000 years ago is inconsequential.
Oh, that's reaching. I agree with lots of authors and theologians who have gone before me. It just so happens that most of them were not Roman Catholics. Therefore, I would have many disagreements with what the entire RCC believed 1000 years ago. I don't say those beliefs are inconsequential. I am just unpersuaded that most of them are consistent with scripture. Some are scripture-neutral, so while I may not follow them, I don't have any real problems with them either.
This is the pillar of Protestantism - rather than receiving the Word of God, accepting as something outside of ourselves, you personally decide what it means.
Of course we receive the Word of God from outside ourselves. We receive it from God Himself, not from earthly men who claim that only they received it from God Himself. It's a similar process. The difference is in the exclusivity.
FK responded "I meant it as an innocent expression. How about like-dislike? :)
FK, I think you are confusing Catholics with Orthodox. Catholics don't have a "dislike-like" relationship with St. Augustine. Much of our theology and the explanation of it is to some degree influenced by him.
OK, I can see where that's coming from. You probably already know, but we apply that passage as to any unbelievers generally, not to believers who don't take the Supper as we do.
I am curious to know why you would apply 1 Cor 11:28-30 to unbelievers?! That is nonsense. Paul is writing to Christians who are abusing the Eucharist. Catholics STILL do not just invite anyone to the Eucharist. How could Paul be speaking of non-believers who are unworthily taking the Eucharist and dying as a result? I think you need to sit down with that passage, FK, and really try to look at it with a more open mind.
I agree with lots of authors and theologians who have gone before me. It just so happens that most of them were not Roman Catholics.
Basically, you are telling me that you have an idea of what God is and what He has revealed, and will tend to agree with ANYONE who agrees with your own preconcieved ideas. See, FK, in a revealed religion, it is supposed to be the other way around. God REVEALS HIMSELF to us - WE don't tell God what WE think about Him. Thus, when God reveals Himself through the Church, it is up to us to change our views when necessary. This is the difference between you and the Catholic.
Of course we receive the Word of God from outside ourselves.
You receive the letters from outside, but the meaning you derive from your own ideas, rather than the mind of the Church. Again, it comes down to the question posed at the very beginning of Scriptures... Do you want to obey God, or make yourself "gods".
Regards
I think it's an eye opener how many parallels there are between the old Jewish religious hierarchy and the RCC and EO. The idea that salvation is to be filtered through them and that their "tradition" is a coequal of Scripture were condemned by Jesus and yet here we are 2,000 years later and see the same mistakes being made.
Mark 7:13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do."