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To: jo kus; blue-duncan
the professor isn't able to understand that the passage is speaking about GOD'S WISDOM

I think the confusion is quite intentional: these people went to seminaries, so that they know how to better lie about the Gospel. Witness the lumping together the Apocrypha and the Deuterocanon: this cannot be an honest mistake.

10,601 posted on 02/15/2007 1:38:24 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
Witness the lumping together the Apocrypha and the Deuterocanon: this cannot be an honest mistake.

Which is why I dislike conversations with obstinatne people. No matter how much you tell them something, they will come out next day and say the exact same thing over again. Hence the frustration with spreading the Gospel with people.

Regards

10,613 posted on 02/15/2007 1:48:03 PM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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"the professor isn't able to understand that the passage is speaking about GOD'S WISDOM"

"I think the confusion is quite intentional: these people went to seminaries, so that they know how to better lie about the Gospel. Witness the lumping together the Apocrypha and the Deuterocanon: this cannot be an honest mistake."

Well, let's just see who isn't "able to understand" and who is "lying". The professor said, "Wisdom 8:19,20 is another contradiction between the apocrypha and Scripture. “For I was a witty child, and had a good spirit. Yea rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled.” However, the Bible teaches that all are born with original sin. "Through one man’s offense judgment came to all men... by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners" (Romans 5:18, 19). “There is none righteous, no, not one” (Romans 3:10). The author of Wisdom believes he was an exception."

Now the Apocryphal book called Wisdom was allegedly written by Solomon and describes his fictional search for "wisdom". In Chapter 8 he says "Wisdom 8: 17 "Now when I considered these things in myself, and pondered them in my heart, how that to be allied unto wisdom is immortality; 18 And great pleasure it is to have her friendship; and in the works of her hands are infinite riches; and in the exercise of conference with her, prudence; and in talking with her, a good report; I went about seeking how to take her to me.

19 For I was a witty child, and had a good spirit. 20 Yea rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled. 21 Nevertheless, when I perceived that I could not otherwise obtain her, except God gave her me; and that was a point of wisdom also to know whose gift she was; I prayed unto the Lord, and besought him, and with my whole heart I said,"

So it was "Solomon" who is speaking about being born "good" and "in a body undefiled" (even though he was conceived in an adulterous and murderous relationship, but that's beside the point); it is not "God's wisdom" that is speaking and it is not "God's wisdom" he was born into or was born in him. So the professor was right in his interpretation.

We'll just chalk this up to your not having the time to actually read the passage or not completely understanding who was speaking.

"Witness the lumping together the Apocrypha and the Deuterocanon: this cannot be an honest mistake."

No mistake, it is intentional since they contain the same books with the exception that the Apocrypha contains the two Esdras and the Prayer of Manasses, a precaution in case someone decides to add them like they did the other books around 1500 A.D.

See Apocrypha means "those having been hidden away" and that accurately describes what "are texts of uncertain authenticity or writings where the authorship is questioned". However, your use of "Deuterocanon" does have some legitimacy to it since it means "second canon" or a "copy of the canon", which does set it apart from the accepted canon of the recognized 66 books of the Old and New Testament.



10,640 posted on 02/15/2007 6:46:18 PM PST by blue-duncan
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