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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: kawaii

"promoting gay clergy"

What about young boys and the RC church?


9,341 posted on 02/06/2007 10:26:04 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

That we don't should give you the reason it's not "very Mormon."


9,342 posted on 02/06/2007 10:33:17 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

So what happened to her parents? Why don't you worship them?


9,343 posted on 02/06/2007 10:35:05 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

As you know we don't worship Mary.

But instead of why not Mary's grandparents, ask why Mary?


9,344 posted on 02/06/2007 10:38:08 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
ask why Mary?

I have seen that answer.

Now please answer my question: Why not pray to her parents and ask them to intercede for us? After all, they are the parents of the mother of God. In the scheme of things that should carry some weight.

9,345 posted on 02/06/2007 11:01:06 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: D-fendr; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Quix; HarleyD; xzins
That we don't should give you the reason it's not "very Mormon."

When it comes down to brass tacks, the Mormons do not "worship" other gods, they merely believe in them and I suspect, that since they believe that God has a Mother (literally), that they also venerate God's mother in much the same way that Catholics claim to "venerate" God's mother.

Carry on.

9,346 posted on 02/06/2007 11:09:48 PM PST by P-Marlowe (What happened to my tagline?)
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To: Gamecock
I have seen that answer.

Then you know the answer to your question. Why Mary answers why not Mary's parents - in the context of your equivalence.

Why not pray to her parents and ask them to intercede for us?

We ask for the prayers of all Saints in Heaven.

After all, they are the parents of the mother of God. In the scheme of things that should carry some weight.

See the first answer above.

9,347 posted on 02/07/2007 12:53:48 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: P-Marlowe

If I remember correctly Mormons also baptist ancestors - their own and others. I'm guessing this is what Gamecock is referring to.

So the comparison breaks down on several counts.


9,348 posted on 02/07/2007 12:56:00 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: annalex; Quix
Mary is the mother of God. It is through the miracle of the Incarnation that we see the face of God.

And since knowing Jesus IS eternal life, John 17:3, then we only have eternal life through Mary. Right?

9,349 posted on 02/07/2007 4:38:17 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: annalex; Blogger

"You mean one could inflect "theou" in genitive but not inflect "stylos", and still refer stylos to theos? (I am using stylos and not the other noun and adjective because I am fairly sure of how to inflect stylos)."

I think so, yes. If stylos were an adjective, it would be different. I just don't see it being said that way. More likely one would say a clause beginning with tou. But then again, my Greek cousins tell me I speak Greek like a Spanish cow (same thing my French friends say about my French)! :)


9,350 posted on 02/07/2007 4:42:05 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: D-fendr; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Quix; HarleyD; xzins
If I remember correctly Mormons also baptist ancestors - their own and others. I'm guessing this is what Gamecock is referring to. So the comparison breaks down on several counts.

If I remember correctly Catholics do penance for their ancestors in order to get them released from purgatory and Mormons baptize their ancestors in order to get them released from purgatory, so the comparison appears to be quite apropos.

9,351 posted on 02/07/2007 4:51:00 AM PST by P-Marlowe (What happened to my tagline?)
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To: kosta50
Deuterocanonical books are part of the Septuagint Old Testament, and were therefore considered Scripture (remember +James and "all scripture is profitable..?").

Sorry. According to my historical references the deuterocanonical books were not considered inspired scripture by the Hebrew fathers at the time of Christ. If you could point me to some sources that would say otherwise I'd be happy to review the material.

As I stated before, I'm really not interested in what the Sadducees believed because they were way off base as our Lord told them. He considered the Pharisees to be knowledgable in the scriptures but legalistic in practice.

At the time of Christ, everyone knew what our Lord Christ meant when He stated, "You search the scriptures...", "What does the scriptures say...", "The scriptures states...". People didn't run around saying, "Gosh, does He mean the Sadducees' version or the Pharisee's version?

9,352 posted on 02/07/2007 5:09:24 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan
Lucifer is a Babylonian god of the morning. His mention in Isa 14 is not related to ha-satan of Judaism. The connection remains unknonw to Judaism to this day precisely because they reject Christ.

What is left of Judaism today is a corrupt religion, from a true Christian perspective. They do not worship the one true God which means that their minds are darkened. Those Jews who where chosen of the Father and Son became the foundation of Christianity and everything that encompasses, including the theology of Satan. The things we believe about Christ, the resurrection, Satan and everything else has been handed down to us from our Jewish founders.

Gentiles are grafted into the belief structure established by our Jewish founders. You seem to be saying Judaism and Christianity were two seperate religious beliefs. This is not the case.

9,353 posted on 02/07/2007 5:25:57 AM PST by HarleyD
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If I remember correctly Catholics do penance for their ancestors in order to get them released from purgatory and Mormons baptize their ancestors in order to get them released from purgatory

What an interesting, and accurate, comparison.

9,354 posted on 02/07/2007 5:28:30 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Sorry. According to my historical references the deuterocanonical books were not considered inspired scripture by the Hebrew fathers at the time of Christ

The Septuagint was a Jewish Bible used by the hellenized Jews for two hundred years before Chirst and at the time when the Apostles wrote the NT, and it contained the books that the Pharisaical bible did not.

It is important because the Apostles quote from the Septuagint and not from the "Hebrew" Bible in over 93% of the cases. You figure out the rest.

I couldn't care less what the Sadducees believed either. I used them to show you that there was no such tinng as one Judaism or that the "Hebrew" Bible was one and the same book you read today in your Old Testament.

9,355 posted on 02/07/2007 5:40:12 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: P-Marlowe

Mormons believe that they can be god some day, don't they? They worship the god of this universe but are more polytheists. (Small g was deliberate, as the god of Mormonism and the God of Scripture are not synonymous. God was never a man that 'became' a god).


9,356 posted on 02/07/2007 5:44:36 AM PST by Blogger
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; D-fendr; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; Quix; ...

"What an interesting, and accurate, comparison."

Psalms 49:7, "None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:)"


9,357 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:06 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: HarleyD
You seem to be saying Judaism and Christianity were two seperate religious beliefs

There was no such thing as the Judaism. Christianity was only one version of it. However, all forms of Judaism have certain things in common.

But when +Paul broke with the Law and circumcision, Christianity ceased being a form of Judaism.

9,358 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:15 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; All

Sorry. Leaving the thread. I have a life.


9,359 posted on 02/07/2007 7:08:34 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("global warming -- it's just the tip of the iceberg!")
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To: Gamecock

Official policies.

Protestants make it official policy to odrain gay clergy.

Romans even with their faults state clearly that they should NOT be ordained.

It is PROTESTANTS doing evil IN GOD'S NAME.


9,360 posted on 02/07/2007 7:11:36 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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