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To: adiaireton8
"So you would tell an apostate-to-be that the 'assurance verses' apply to him."

You seem purposed to twist what I've stated. I repeat I would tell an apostate-to-be that 'assurance verses' apply to him base upon his ACCEPTANCE of the power and gift offered him through Christ to become the sons of God.

I bring to your remembrance Jesus' relay of the wedding feast (Matthew 22) where the invitation to join the banquet was given but many chose to disregard the invite. As was then, the offer is extended to the apostate-to-be, but it's up to them should they choose to squander the invitation. It's the apostate-to-be's choice to be found fit with the right garment or not.

143 posted on 11/16/2006 10:14:44 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: azhenfud
You seem purposed to twist what I've stated.

Not true. I'm going exactly by what you said. You said, "Yes - they do apply".

It seems that what you mean is that since apostates-to-be are not elect, these verses teaching that the elect cannot be lost do not in fact apply to apostates-to-be.

Now if you are saying that the promises in the 'assurance verses' apply to everyone because these promises are *conditional* (i.e. e.g. "If you are elect, then you will not be lost, etc., etc."), then that leaves us right back where we started: How does one know that one is elect? And if you start quoting these 'assurance verses' to answer that question (the very ones you have just said are conditional on whether one is elect), you will have assumed precisely what you are trying show, i.e. you will have "begged the question".

-A8

144 posted on 11/16/2006 10:31:08 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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