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To: Sopater

Interesting comments.

First, let me pose a question. About 25 percent of the world's population says it's Christian. (We won't debate teh merits of that claim for teh moment.) Do you believe that God condemns 75 percent of God's creation?

Nw, as to homosexuality not being a choice: the whole case for homosexuality being genetic and immutable is based on a phony study years ago with bad methodology that showed that if a man was homosexual, his identical twin was homosexual 50 percent of teh time.

Now, if it were purely genetic that number would be 100 percent, wouldn't it? (Taht's assuming the methodology is valid.)

Now, I do believe that there may be a genetic factor, i.e., a predisposition that only some people have, without which you don't become gay. But I also believe that environmental factors, upbringing, and other choice factors contribute to the person actively becomeing homosexual. Nobody would choose it consciously, perhaps, but we all make a lot of subconscious choices all the time.

And teh fact that certain people who were active, practicing homosexuals have been able to become active, practicing heterosexuals, with no further homosexual urges (according to them) shows that choice is at least a major factor in homosexuality.


6 posted on 11/02/2006 3:39:30 PM PST by TBP
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To: sionnsar

FYI


7 posted on 11/02/2006 3:43:40 PM PST by ken5050
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To: TBP
First, let me pose a question. About 25 percent of the world's population says it's Christian. (We won't debate teh merits of that claim for teh moment.) Do you believe that God condemns 75 percent of God's creation?

Sorry buddy, I don't make the rules...

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
-Acts 4:12
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
-1 Corinthians 6:9-11
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
-Revelation 21:8

13 posted on 11/02/2006 4:56:41 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: TBP
Of course choice is a factor. If anyone really steps back, and puts common sense and rationality to the question, it really is pretty clear. Humans have free will, we are all susceptible to temptation, of all kids. Why, once exposed to the idea of homosexuality, is a human who delves into any curiosity about it, or is attracted to one of the same sex, or both, is it considered any different from any other temptation. Eroticism of all forms can preoccupy peoples minds. Have we never heard of people "addicted" to porn? to sadomasochism? To voyeurism? Why do people of any education level suppose that the perversion that is homosexuality is any different?

It's not different! Sometimes people will even search for the ever more and more erotic form of sexual deviancy, all in a quest for the ultimate orgasm, or whatever. In a lot of cases, it is progressive, but not always. In cases where it is, it is a case of pushing the boundaries of the forbidden further and further. It is just common sense.
14 posted on 11/02/2006 5:00:19 PM PST by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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