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To: adiaireton8
This is utter historical fiction. The bishops had the authority from the very beginning. Just read Clement or Igatius or Polycarp or Justin or Ireneus.

I beleive history shows that some of your church history is not credible...

Wasn't it Ignatius that ended up with two sets of the same epistles??? One, the longer set mentions NOTHING about the Catholic church...But the other shorter ones do...

Which one would you think is a forgery???

76 posted on 10/21/2006 1:07:30 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Wasn't it Ignatius that ended up with two sets of the same epistles??? One, the longer set mentions NOTHING about the Catholic church...But the other shorter ones do...

There are two versions of Ignatius's epistle to the Magnesians. But neither uses the word "Catholic". That term is found in his epistle to the church at Smyrna, where Polycarp was the bishop. Polycarp, who was martyred much later (around 155 AD), was also an 'auditor' [i.e. hearer] of the Apostle John. So was Ignatius, whose life long overlapped that of the Apostles. According to the fathers, Ignatius, the second bishop of Antioch (where believers were first called 'Christians') was ordained by Peter. Just read through all seven of his epistles (find them here), and the account of his martydom, and think about his proximity to the Apostles, and then ask yourself, who is more likely to be a better witness of the nature of the early Church: Ignatius or Luther?

Reading through the fathers is one of the things that coverted me to Catholicism after 37 years as a Protestant. The Church I found described in the fathers was the Catholic Church, not any form of Protestantism.

-A8

84 posted on 10/21/2006 2:26:48 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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