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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg
I pose this question:

Is it possible to just simply say that the only things that we know for sure that are predestinated are the things that are prophesied by the Holy Scriptures, that not everything is predestinated, but if it is prophesied in the Scriptures, then it is predestinated from that point forward, and therefore will come to pass.

In light of the above, I do not see my name prophesied in the Scriptures as destined for heaven, therefore how can I be predestinated to go there?

1,888 posted on 10/30/2006 4:24:51 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; All

Could someone please post the Scriptures [just the Scriptures without comment] that deal with Predestination [the elect, foreknowledge, the chosen . . . ] so that we can take a good hard look at them and examine them more carefully to see what they really say?


1,889 posted on 10/30/2006 5:02:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Thank you for your reply!

Is it possible to just simply say that the only things that we know for sure that are predestinated are the things that are prophesied by the Holy Scriptures, that not everything is predestinated, but if it is prophesied in the Scriptures, then it is predestinated from that point forward, and therefore will come to pass.

That is rational because the Scriptures include both prophesy and commandments. And adding to what God has said, or taking away from it, is not wise:

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. - Deu 12:32

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book. - Rev 22:18-19

You continued:

In light of the above, I do not see my name prophesied in the Scriptures as destined for heaven, therefore how can I be predestinated to go there?

That is deduced from the declaration in Scripture that your name is recorded in the book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8, 17:8)

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. - Hebrews 4:1-3

This requires Spiritual discernment. Both are true, predestination and free will.

Geometric physics can help Christians understand time - because time is only a line to an observer from his own space/time coordinates in a four dimensional universe (3 of space, 1 of time.) See special and general relativity for more on this. And add one temporal dimension, and time is a plane, not a line. (Vafa, Wesson et al)

1,907 posted on 10/30/2006 9:23:43 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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