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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Star Chamber
And therefore, all revelations of God are more sure, more valuable, more trustworthy to me than any other source of knowledge – whether sensory perception, logic, mentors, opinions of experts, etc

But, what exactly are "all revelations of God"? This is an old bugaboo isn't it?

Cults everywhere rely on "revelations of God".

Christians rely on the Word as spoken by the prophets, and, because of the spiritual gifts given to some by God and the HS of course, we can have assurance that our prophets are from God, plus we can test the spirits.

With personal "revelations", (and I do believe there are some from God,) one can't admit them into doctrine, for that is never their purpose. Now without insulting any specific group, there is a sect I'm sure you are aware of, that uses personal revelation from everyone, but especially its leader, and just look at the mess it has become.

1,701 posted on 10/27/2006 11:57:18 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Christians rely on the Word as spoken by the prophets, and, because of the spiritual gifts given to some by God and the HS of course, we can have assurance that our prophets are from God, plus we can test the spirits.

Amen! Think how long and hard Paul labored to impress upon believers the solid assurance of their faith; the tangible and real salvation they had received by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ which some had witnessed with their own eyes.

"By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore." -- Hebrews 7:22-28


1,704 posted on 10/27/2006 12:15:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Yes, personal revelations . . . especially unscreened by truly anointed humble folks . . . are a great hazard.

I do expect God to clean that mess up . . . still waiting.


1,719 posted on 10/27/2006 1:00:57 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Star Chamber; .30Carbine; proud_2_B_texasgal; ladyinred
But, what exactly are "all revelations of God"? This is an old bugaboo isn't it?

Not at all, 1000 silverlings!

Again on this thread I assert strongly that God the Father has revealed Himself in four ways:

1. Through Jesus Christ who is the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person – by whom everything that was made, was made, and for whom it exists and by whom it subsists. (Hebrews 1:3, Col 1)

2. Through the indwelling Spirit who reveals Truth to us and leads us. (John 14-17, Romans 8, I Cor 2)

3. Through the Scriptures, the truth of which are authenticated by Jesus (Matt 5) and by the indwelling Spirit - which is to say, the first two revelations.

4. Through Creation itself. (Psalms 19) And we will be held to account if we fail to notice at least this much of His revelation (Romans 1:20)

And concerning "personal revelation" the first and most important one that we Christians - every single one of us - receive is that "Jesus Christ is Lord". That doesn't come from our own mind, it comes from Him. God cannot be found by the reason-only sort, Christ is foolishness to them (I Cor 2)

We are the "elect" or "called" or "drawn" or the ones with "ears to hear":

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. - John 8:43

The ones to whom Christ was speaking had physical ears which were registering the pressure waves (sounds) and their brains were working. They were hearing physically, but they were not hearing spiritually.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

As to the revelation of the Spirit, if a person does not have it, he is not reborn, he is not one of Christ's.

And if he has been reborn, but refuses to listen to the Spirit, he is in deep trouble:

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:5-9

IMHO all of these points should be the basics, milk, to every Christian.

1,720 posted on 10/27/2006 1:01:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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