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To: adiaireton8; Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg
Hey A8, more good news, I have found nothing in the Gospels for THE EVIDENCE for THE TWENTY-FIVE YEAR BISHOPRIC of PETER in ROME and His UPSIDEDOWN CRUCIFIXION under NERO . That narrows our search down even more, so that we can really concentrate on the writings of "the Fathers" of Roman Catholic Tradition, and have plenty of space in our dissertation for everything that you uncover in "the Fathers" regarding Peter in Rome.

How is your end of the project going. Take a breather once in awhile; it helps especially when digesting all that verbose rhetoric from some of the writings of "the Fathers". I have only the Book of Acts and the Epistles left, then it will be your turn to begin posting what you have learned from "the Fathers". The List of what we have thus far is below:

1] The Books of the Old Testament --- No Evidence

2] The Apocryphal Books --- No Evidence

3] The Gospels --- No Evidence

4] Book of Acts of the Apostles --- searching now

5] The Epistles --- next

6] The Patriarchs ---

1,610 posted on 10/26/2006 3:22:04 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (That all may come to the knowledge of the truth, no matter how painful)
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To: Uncle Chip; adiaireton8; kerryusama04; wmfights; Quix; Zuriel
THE EVIDENCE for THE TWENTY-FIVE YEAR BISHOPRIC of PETER in ROME and His UPSIDEDOWN CRUCIFIXION under NERO

I have more evidence showing that Peter was never in or about Rome to add to your exhaustive research!

1. Mentioned before (posts 1438 & 1450)....Peter commissioned to be Apostle to the Circumcised [Matthew 10:5-6][Galatians 2:7-9].

2. Paul specifically told the Gentile Romans He had been chosen to bring them the "Good News"....not Peter. [Romans 15:16]. If Peter had already been in Rome.....can you see Paul writing this????

3. Paul himself told the Romans it would be He....not Peter who would found their church [Romans 1:11]. The letter to the Romans is thought by scholars to be written in about 55/56 A.D. and here Paul is saying that he wishes to establish a harvest among them. Does this sound strange to you if Peter had been shepherding the Roman Church for 15 or 20 years at this point?

4. In addition, Paul explains, He does not want to build upon another man's foundation [Romans 15:20]. Again, would he be saying this to the Romans if Peter was already there.....and in charge?

5. Already mentioned (posts 1438 & 1450) in Romans 16 Paul salutes many folks in Rome....Peter not included. Where is Peter?

6. When Paul was taken prisoner to Rome....some four years later, the brethren of Rome came to meet him [Acts 28:15]. Where is Peter?????

7. When Paul got to Rome He summoned the Jews [Acts 28:17] and they had heard little about this new sect and wanted to hear more [verses 21-22]. Don't you think that by 60 A.D. that the Apostle Peter, being a Jew himself as well as their designated Apostle, would have mentioned something about Our Saviour......if he had been in and about Rome?

8. Paul remained in Rome in his own house for 2 years [Acts 28:30] writing four more books (mentioned earlier in 1438 & 1450) never once mentioning Peter.

9. He was released but back again as a prisoner about four years later(A.D. 65). At his trial it is noted in [II Timothy 4:16] that no man stood with me....all men in Rome forsook me and he prayed to God that they be forgiven. Well, I guess that Peter must have forsaken Paul.....if he had been in and about Rome.....at that time!

10. Paul says in II Timothy 4:11 that at this time only Luke is with him. Where is Peter?????

Paul wrote to Rome, was in Rome, wrote at least four.... maybe six epistles from Rome, and at the end not only has he ever mentioned Peter, but says, "Only Luke is with me!"

What I have posted here is Biblical.....not tradition and the Bible says that Peter was ministering to "The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel." [Matthew 10:5-6][John 21:15-17][Matthew 15:24]

1,619 posted on 10/26/2006 4:19:10 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Uncle Chip

You are a wonderful Dear Heart.

LUB,


1,635 posted on 10/26/2006 4:56:25 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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