First of all, it appears to me that you are not a sympathetic investigator. You appear to have an axe to grind. A person can call into question every piece of evidence, if you want not to believe something. But instead of assuming that these fathers are pulling these things out of thin air, or basing them on mere rumours, try giving them the benefit of the doubt. If you want to be a skeptic, then go the whole way and doubt the veracity of the Scriptures.
Regarding Peter's ordination of Clement, there is absolutely no contradiction, and you would know this if you knew more about the Catholic Church. For example, my home parish is the local cathedral, i.e. the seat of the archbishop. But there is another bishop there in residence. There are two bishops here at the same time. Similarly, Clement was ordained by Peter to the order of bishop, but Clement remained under the authority of Linus and Cletus until Cletus died, at which time Clement acquired the responsibility of the Roman see.
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I think an important thing to consider is WHAT POSSIBLE REASON WOULD THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS HAVE HAD TO LIE ABOUT WHAT PETER WAS DOING? These men were writing just a few decades after the Crucifixion, the Gospels had not even been compiled or even necessarily written. Would they "lie" in anticipation of a controversy that would not even appear for another fifteen centuries?
HEHEHEHE .. why did this make me laugh coming from you? *smile*
Good Morning everyone!
Simon Peter . . . after having been bishop of the church of Antioch and having preached to the Dispersion ---the believers in the circumcision, in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia --- pushed on to Rome in the second year of Claudius to overthrow Simon Magus, and held the sacerdotal chair there for twenty-five years until the last, that is the fourteenth year of Nero.
Does the Magisterium of the RCC stand by this statement or was Jerome mistaken, not just once but on many points?
BTW ---- You were the one who told me to read the "Fathers" and so I'm doing it. What you might not like is that I am reading the writings of the "Fathers" with the same critical mind that you are reading the Scriptures, right?
A person can call into question every piece of evidence, if you want not to believe something.
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INDEED!
ESPECIALLY on many threads hereon . . . re God's Anointing and Spiritual Gifts and their operation in the current era.