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To: adiaireton8

I've elaborated quite a lot on my position and perspective.

I'm disinclined to do it on demand per other people's criteria and expectations. I do it according to my sensibilities. Many demands for "clarification" are merely fishing expeditions for things to fight over further. I hate that.

I will indulge the request somewhat.

1. In addition to a Heavenly warm, Holy Spirit spirit, atmostphere, feeling in a room . . . suddenly leaving and a cold, freezing, dark, black feeling sort of spirit, atmosphere descending . . .

There can be:

2. An anointed speaker, worship leader may step into the flesh and begin doing his own thing--and Holy Spirit's spirit, atmostphere, anointing for healing, delivering etc, will suddenly "LIFT" AS IN "LIFT OFF." No more healings will occur. No more deliverances will occur. The music will suddenly ring flat or hollow (not talking about pitch). It will suddenly be obvious to many that the folks leading things are suddenly now going through the motions but God is not in it.

3. Very wise and Scriptural words like apples of gold in bowls of silver will stop and harsh, sawdust words will spew forth--chaff vs Heavenly manna.

I could go on but that will have to do for now. I shall see how such examples are received as an indication of truly seeking to understand vs fish for something to rail against.



BTW, WHEN I'VE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO BE EXTREMELY EGALITARIAN--AS GOD IS--ABOUT HIS ANOINTING TO ALL WILLING TO WALK CLOSE TO HIM--I'VE EMPHASIZED THAT OVER AND OVER--TO THEN CHEEKILY INSIST THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT A SECRET, CLOSED, BELIEVE ONLY AS I DO CLUB . . . I CONSIDER THAT INSULTING. Not a big deal. Has no eternal consequence. But . . . for the record, that should be noted.


1,001 posted on 10/23/2006 11:53:30 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
A number of years ago, I met with some Mormon missionaries for an entire summer. They kept telling me that if I only prayed, I would get a "burning in my bosom" from the Holy Spirit that Mormonism is true. I did pray, all summer. I didn't get any "burning in my bosom" that Mormonism is true. So, eventually, by the end of the summer, they moved on to someone else.

In their view, there was no way to adjudicate between me and them. I either got the burning or I did not. Every sect in the world could use the same test, and there would be people who seemed to get the 'burning' for each and every sect. You seem to be saying the same thing as the Mormons with respect to how to determine whether someone has the anointing. The test is entirely subjective (except for your test regarding healings, but you know of course that even demons can perform signs and wonders, so that doesn't tell us anything).

When two persons or two groups pray and still disagree, then what? Disunity. That was my original point. When the tests are entirely subjective, disunity is the necessary implication. But for the first 1500 years of Church history, the test was apostolicity; who had been ordained in succession from the Apostles. That is why the Apostle John says in 1 John 4:6 "He who knows God listens to us [i.e. the Apostles and by implication those bishops in Apostolic succession]; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

-A8

1,009 posted on 10/23/2006 12:09:39 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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