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Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Posted on 10/21/2006 4:52:03 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Petronski

I'm embarrasing myself because you refer to Martin Luther as the devil?


401 posted on 10/22/2006 4:18:19 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Diego1618
Somehow.....I feel very comforted by that fact. Especially when I am in disagreement with the Apostate Catholic Church.

Well, the majority of Christians, including Catholic Christians, would think that anyone that denies the Trinity is the APOSTATE!

402 posted on 10/22/2006 4:18:49 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: marajade
I'm embarrasing myself because you refer to Martin Luther as the devil?

The premise of that question is false, as I did not refer to Martin Luther as the devil. You compound your lies every time you repeat them, liar.

403 posted on 10/22/2006 4:19:50 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: FJ290

Where is the Apostate Catholic Church? I would guess it is from a place called Apostate.

I presume this to be the case because the Roman Catholic Church is headquartered in Rome.


404 posted on 10/22/2006 4:21:04 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: marajade; Petronski
I'm embarrasing myself because you refer to Martin Luther as the devil?

No, because you said you Catholics are of the devil and then when you're called to the floor on your very OWN words, you deny it.

405 posted on 10/22/2006 4:21:24 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290

She also seemed to say above that Jesus was crucified before he was crucified...that is, if I'm reading it right.

It's more a question of decrypting than reading.


406 posted on 10/22/2006 4:22:32 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

Who was devil telling a thousand lies to? Martin Luther was mentioned in which you replied.


407 posted on 10/22/2006 4:22:35 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: FJ290

No I said anyone who wasn't a Catholic


408 posted on 10/22/2006 4:23:02 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
Who was devil telling a thousand lies to?

The world.

Martin Luther was mentioned in which you replied.

I need a translator for this one.

409 posted on 10/22/2006 4:23:43 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

No I was questioning how Peter was a Christian before he was crucified. Because you said Peter was.


410 posted on 10/22/2006 4:23:50 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: NYer

OK.

Thanks.

imho, Peter's faith by The Holy Spirit . . . has much more in common with the faith by The Holy Spirit of all earnest believers

than Peter the person has in common with Jesus as head of The Church Universal.

And both the Old Testament and the New Testament are replete with examples of

GOD removing the anointing and the leadership from those who failed to walk in ONGOING INTIMACY AND OBEDIENCE to Him.

Lineage even to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . . . even of the Aaronic priesthood . . . could amount to less than a gnat's fart's worth of importance to God in terms of position, leadership, anointing, favor.

The same is true, today.


411 posted on 10/22/2006 4:24:47 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: marajade
No I was questioning how Peter was a Christian before he was crucified.

Peter was a Christian before he was Crucified? Yes, since Peter died when he was crucified, your statement really says Peter was a Christian while he was alive, a true statement.

412 posted on 10/22/2006 4:25:16 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski; Diego1618
Where is the Apostate Catholic Church?

In anti-Catholic phamplets everywhere!

I would guess it is from a place called Apostate.

Isn't that near some place in East Podunk, Egypt?

I presume this to be the case because the Roman Catholic Church is headquartered in Rome.

Well, maybe Diego is confused. I am sure that it was just a typo and he actually meant to write "A-P-O-S-T-O-L-I-C.

413 posted on 10/22/2006 4:25:33 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: adiaireton8
What about the other stuff I said?

The same is true today. Yes, God could send His Holy Spirit to someone. But the appointed means is through the bishops in succession from the Apostles.

These being the same bishops who hide the sins of their priests? These being the same bishops who advocate breaking civil law in direct violation of scripture? I, sir, am not willing to delegate my salvation to fallible men. I prefer to take the writing of Paul to heart and take responsibility for my own salvation, to believe on the Lord, to confess my sins to Him, the only Mediator between God and men, to study the Word, and be prepared to testify whenever the case arises.

414 posted on 10/22/2006 4:26:01 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Petronski

You're confused. I'm talking about JC was crucified and risen from the dead. How could Peter be a Christian before that happened?


415 posted on 10/22/2006 4:26:21 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: FJ290

Are you contending that 100% of all the Popes were 100% righteous and of high moral standards?

Historical fact indicates otherwise, if so.


416 posted on 10/22/2006 4:26:47 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: marajade
You actually posted this:

They could believe he was the son of God.

What about him being crucified before he was?

Christ was crucified before he was? Is that a pre-Crucifixion Crucifixion?

417 posted on 10/22/2006 4:27:42 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Quix; FJ290
Are you contending that 100% of all the Popes were 100% righteous and of high moral standards?

Were 100% of the Disciples that Christ chose?

418 posted on 10/22/2006 4:29:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: marajade
No I said anyone who wasn't a Catholic.

Talk to the Hand!

419 posted on 10/22/2006 4:29:43 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: marajade
You're confused.

Thanks to your tortured implementation of the English language.

I'm talking about JC was crucified and risen from the dead.

Jacques Cousteau?

How could Peter be a Christian before that happened?

I don't know. When was Jacques Cousteau crucified? What would that have to do with Peter's faith in Christ?

420 posted on 10/22/2006 4:30:22 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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