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Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Posted on 10/21/2006 4:52:03 AM PDT by NYer

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To: marajade
I said no such thing.

Well, if anyone believes that, I have some prime real estate down in the Georgia Okefenokee swamp!

381 posted on 10/22/2006 4:05:01 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: Petronski

"So you ARE a LIAR, aren't you?"

I'm still awaiting how you square how Peter was a Christian before JC died on the cross and rose again.


382 posted on 10/22/2006 4:05:08 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Already done.


383 posted on 10/22/2006 4:05:45 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: marajade

So you ARE a LIAR, aren't you?

You make a charge about me, but won't substantiate it because it cannot be substantiated: it is a lie.


384 posted on 10/22/2006 4:06:26 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski; wagglebee

Who were you referring to in your post 258 in reference to Wagglebee's post 256?

Please clarify it for me. Thanks.


385 posted on 10/22/2006 4:08:19 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: kerryusama04
My point is that the Apostles did not have control over who received the Holy Spirit. Neither does Rome.

'Control' is an ambiguous term. You are correct that God can act apart from the Apostles. God is not limited. The Apostles and the Catholic Church have always taught this. But, God has appointed certain means through which to build His Church. Even in the passage to which you referred (Acts 10), the Holy Spirit came on the people as Peter was preaching to them. The very words of Peter (as he preached the Gospel) were in this case sacramental. Why doesn't Philip baptize the Samarians in the Holy Spirit (in Acts 8)? Why must the Church send Peter and John? (Acts 8:14) Philip was not an Apostle; he was a deacon. (Acts 6)

The same is true today. Yes, God could send His Holy Spirit to someone. But the appointed means is through the bishops in succession from the Apostles.

-A8

386 posted on 10/22/2006 4:08:39 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: marajade
Who were you referring to in your post 258 in reference to Wagglebee's post 256?

I said "And the devil tells a thousand lies."

I was referring to the devil. See it there? The word in bold? (The bold word is the really dark one.)

You didn't presume I was referring to you, did you? Because that would be very telling, from a psychological standpoint.

387 posted on 10/22/2006 4:11:57 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

In relation to Martin Luther and those who are anti catholic.

Come on! Who is the liar now?


388 posted on 10/22/2006 4:13:01 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
I'm still awaiting how you square how Peter was a Christian before JC died on the cross and rose again.

Marajade, Marajade, Marajade! You don't use acronyms for anyone else's name, why do you insist on abbreviating the most beautiful, Holy Name of our Lord? Darn woman! That's like fingernails going down a chalkboard to me.

389 posted on 10/22/2006 4:13:25 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290
You are in disagreement with more the overwhelming majority of Christendom.

Somehow.....I feel very comforted by that fact. Especially when I am in disagreement with the Apostate Catholic Church. The Church that claims to have all authority to stipulate what is what when it comes to theology......but in reality the organization is nothing but a vehicle for false doctrine that deceives the world.

The spirit, the water and the blood.

These are the things that agree!

390 posted on 10/22/2006 4:13:54 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: marajade
Come on! Who is the liar now?

You are.   QED

391 posted on 10/22/2006 4:14:23 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

Judge and jury again I see. Thankfully you aren't the final arbitrator.


392 posted on 10/22/2006 4:15:14 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Tell the truth. You saw the word "lies" and presumed I meant you.


It's okay to admit it, it's a very logical conclusion.


393 posted on 10/22/2006 4:15:39 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

Please clarify who you were referring to? I understood it as Martin Luther who brought the gospel to the common people.


394 posted on 10/22/2006 4:15:58 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade
Thankfully you aren't the final arbitrator.

Who is that? Johnny Cash?

395 posted on 10/22/2006 4:16:12 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Diego1618
This is called "begging the question".

-A8

396 posted on 10/22/2006 4:16:19 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: marajade

Already done, above.


397 posted on 10/22/2006 4:16:50 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

You're pathetic.


398 posted on 10/22/2006 4:16:53 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

You're embarrassing yourself. Badly.


399 posted on 10/22/2006 4:17:31 PM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: Petronski

Thanks for the clarification.


400 posted on 10/22/2006 4:17:38 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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