Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Posted on 10/21/2006 4:52:03 AM PDT by NYer

From Called To Communion: Understanding the Church Today

Editor's note: This is the second half of a chapter titled "The Primacy of Peter and Unity of the Church." The first half examines the status of Peter in the New Testament and the commission logion contained in Matthew 16:17-19.

The principle of succession in general

That the primacy of Peter is recognizable in all the major strands of the New Testament is incontestable.

The real difficulty arises when we come to the second question: Can the idea of a Petrine succession be justified? Even more difficult is the third question that is bound up with it: Can the Petrine succession of Rome be credibly substantiated?

Concerning the first question, we must first of all note that there is no explicit statement regarding the Petrine succession in the New Testament. This is not surprising, since neither the Gospels nor the chief Pauline epistles address the problem of a postapostolic Church—which, by the way, must be mentioned as a sign of the Gospels' fidelity to tradition. Indirectly, however, this problem can be detected in the Gospels once we admit the principle of form critical method according to which only what was considered in the respective spheres of tradition as somehow meaningful for the present was preserved in writing as such. This would mean, for example, that toward the end of the first century, when Peter was long dead, John regarded the former's primacy, not as a thing of the past, but as a present reality for the Church.


For many even believe—though perhaps with a little too much imagination—that they have good grounds for interpreting the "competition" between Peter and the beloved disciple as an echo of the tensions between Rome's claim to primacy and the sense of dignity possessed by the Churches of Asia Minor. This would certainly be a very early and, in addition, inner-biblical proof that Rome was seen as continuing the Petrine line; but we should in no case rely on such uncertain hypotheses. The fundamental idea, however, does seem to me correct, namely, that the traditions of the New Testament never reflect an interest of purely historical curiosity but are bearers of present reality and in that sense constantly rescue things from the mere past, without blurring the special status of the origin.

Moreover, even scholars who deny the principle itself have propounded hypotheses of succession. 0. Cullmann, for example, objects in a very clear-cut fashion to the idea of succession, yet he believes that he can Show that Peter was replaced by James and that this latter assumed the primacy of the erstwhile first apostle. Bultmann believes that he is correct in concluding from the mention of the three pillars in Galatians 2:9 that the course of development led away from a personal to a collegial leadership and that a college entered upon the succession of Peter. [1]

We have no need to discuss these hypotheses and others like them; their foundation is weak enough. Nevertheless, they do show that it is impossible to avoid the idea of succession once the word transmitted in Scripture is considered to be a sphere open to the future. In those writings of the New Testament that stand on the cusp of the second generation or else already belong to it-especially in the Acts of the Apostles and in the Pastoral Letters—the principle of succession does in fact take on concrete shape.

The Protestant notion that the "succession" consists solely in the word as such, but not in any "structures", is proved to be anachronistic in light of what in actual fact is the form of tradition in the New Testament. The word is tied to the witness, who guarantees it an unambiguous sense, which it does not possess as a mere word floating in isolation. But the witness is not an individual who stands independently on his own. He is no more a wit ness by virtue of himself and of his own powers of memory than Peter can be the rock by his own strength. He is not a witness as "flesh and blood" but as one who is linked to the Pneuma, the Paraclete who authenticates the truth and opens up the memory and, in his turn, binds the witness to Christ. For the Paraclete does not speak of himself, but he takes from "what is his" (that is, from what is Christ's: Jn 16: 13).

This binding of the witness to the Pneuma and to his mode of being-"not of himself, but what he hears" -is called "sacrament" in the language of the Church. Sacrament designates a threefold knot-word, witness, Holy Spirit and Christ-which describes the essential structure of succession in the New Testament. We can infer with certainty from the testimony of the Pastoral Letters and of the Acts of the Apostles that the apostolic generation already gave to this interconnection of person and word in the believed presence of the Spirit and of Christ the form of the laying on of hands.

The Petrine succession in Rome

In opposition to the New Testament pattern of succession described above, which withdraws the word from human manipulation precisely by binding witnesses into its service, there arose very early on an intellectual and anti-institutional model known historically by the name of Gnosis, which made the free interpretation and speculative development of the word its principle. Before long the appeal to individual witnesses no longer sufficed to counter the intellectual claim advanced by this tendency. It became necessary to have fixed points by which to orient the testimony itself, and these were found in the so-called apostolic sees, that is, in those where the apostles had been active. The apostolic sees became the reference point of true communio. But among these sees there was in turn–quite clearly in Irenaeus of Lyons–a decisive criterion that recapitulated all others: the Church of Rome, where Peter and Paul suffered martyrdom. It was with this Church that every community had to agree; Rome was the standard of the authentic apostolic tradition as a whole.

Moreover, Eusebius of Caesarea organized the first version of his ecclesiastical history in accord with the same principle. It was to be a written record of the continuity of apostolic succession, which was concentrated in the three Petrine sees Rome, Antioch and Alexandria-among which Rome, as the site of Peter's martyrdom, was in turn preeminent and truly normative. [2]

This leads us to a very fundamental observation. [3] The Roman primacy, or, rather, the acknowledgement of Rome as the criterion of the right apostolic faith, is older than the canon of the New Testament, than "Scripture".

We must be on our guard here against an almost inevitable illusion. "Scripture" is more recent than "the scriptures" of which it is composed. It was still a long time before the existence of the individual writings resulted in the "New Testament" as Scripture, as the Bible. The assembling of the writings into a single Scripture is more properly speaking the work of tradition, a work that began in the second century but came to a kind of conclusion only in the fourth or fifth century. Harnack, a witness who cannot be suspected of pro-Roman bias, has remarked in this regard that it was only at the end of the second century, in Rome, that a canon of the "books of the New Testament" won recognition by the criterion of apostolicity-catholicity, a criterion to which the other Churches also gradually subscribed "for the sake of its intrinsic value and on the strength of the authority of the Roman Church".

We can therefore say that Scripture became Scripture through the tradition, which precisely in this process included the potentior principalitas–the preeminent original authority–of the Roman see as a constitutive element.

Two points emerge clearly from what has just been First, the principle of tradition in its sacramental form-apostolic succession—played a constitutive role in the existence and continuance of the Church. Without this principle, it is impossible to conceive of a New Testament at all, so that we are caught in a contradiction when we affirm the one while wanting to deny the other. Furthermore, we have seen that in Rome the traditional series of bishops was from the very beginning recorded as a line of successors.

We can add that Rome and Antioch were conscious of succeeding to the mission of Peter and that early on Alexandria was admitted into the circle of Petrine sees as the city where Peter's disciple Mark had been active. Having said all that, the site of Peter's martyrdom nonetheless appears clearly as the chief bearer of his supreme authority and plays a preeminent role in the formation of tradition which is constitutive of the Church-and thus in the genesis of the New Testament as Bible; Rome is one of the indispensable internal and external- conditions of its possibility. It would be exciting to trace the influence on this process of the idea that the mission of Jerusalem had passed over to Rome, which explains why at first Jerusalem was not only not a "patriarchal see" but not even a metropolis: Jerusalem was now located in Rome, and since Peter's departure from that city, its primacy had been transferred to the capital of the pagan world. [4]

But to consider this in detail would lead us too far afield for the moment. The essential point, in my opinion, has already become plain: the martyrdom of Peter in Rome fixes the place where his function continues. The awareness of this fact can be detected as early as the first century in the Letter of Clement, even though it developed but slowly in all its particulars.

Concluding reflections

We shall break off at this point, for the chief goal of our considerations has been attained. We have seen that the New Testament as a whole strikingly demonstrates the primacy of Peter; we have seen that the formative development of tradition and of the Church supposed the continuation of Peter's authority in Rome as an intrinsic condition. The Roman primacy is not an invention of the popes, but an essential element of ecclesial unity that goes back to the Lord and was developed faithfully in the nascent Church.

But the New Testament shows us more than the formal aspect of a structure; it also reveals to us the inward nature of this structure. It does not merely furnish proof texts, it is a permanent criterion and task. It depicts the tension between skandalon and rock; in the very disproportion between man's capacity and God's sovereign disposition, it reveals God to be the one who truly acts and is present.

If in the course of history the attribution of such authority to men could repeatedly engender the not entirely unfounded suspicion of human arrogation of power, not only the promise of the New Testament but also the trajectory of that history itself prove the opposite. The men in question are so glaringly, so blatantly unequal to this function that the very empowerment of man to be the rock makes evident how little it is they who sustain the Church but God alone who does so, who does so more in spite of men than through them.

The mystery of the Cross is perhaps nowhere so palpably present as in the primacy as a reality of Church history. That its center is forgiveness is both its intrinsic condition and the sign of the distinctive character of God's power. Every single biblical logion about the primacy thus remains from generation to generation a signpost and a norm, to which we must ceaselessly resubmit ourselves. When the Church adheres to these words in faith, she is not being triumphalistic but humbly recognizing in wonder and thanksgiving the victory of God over and through human weakness. Whoever deprives these words of their force for fear of triumphalism or of human usurpation of authority does not proclaim that God is greater but diminishes him, since God demonstrates the power of his love, and thus remains faithful to the law of the history of salvation, precisely in the paradox of human impotence.

For with the same realism with which we declare today the sins of the popes and their disproportion to the magnitude of their commission, we must also acknowledge that Peter has repeatedly stood as the rock against ideologies, against the dissolution of the word into the plausibilities of a given time, against subjection to the powers of this world.

When we see this in the facts of history, we are not celebrating men but praising the Lord, who does not abandon the Church and who desired to manifest that he is the rock through Peter, the little stumbling stone: "flesh and blood" do not save, but the Lord saves through those who are of flesh and blood. To deny this truth is not a plus of faith, not a plus of humility, but is to shrink from the humility that recognizes God as he is. Therefore the Petrine promise and its historical embodiment in Rome remain at the deepest level an ever-renewed motive for joy: the powers of hell will not prevail against it . . .


Endnotes:

[1] Die Geschichte der synoptischen Tradition, 2d ed. (198 1), 147- 51; cf. Gnilka, 56.

[2] For an exhaustive account of this point, see V. Twomey, Apostolikos Thronos (Münster, 1982).

[3] It is my hope that in the not-too-distant future I will have the opportunity to develop and substantiate in greater detail the view of the succession that I attempt to indicate in an extremely condensed form in what follows. I owe important suggestions to several works by 0. Karrer, especially: Um die Einheit der Christen. Die Petrusfrage (Frankfurt am Mainz, 1953); "Apostolische Nachfolge und Primat", in: Feiner, Trütsch and Böckle, Fragen in der Theologie heute (Freiburg im.Breisgau, 1957), 175-206; "Das Petrusamt in der Frühkirche", in Festgabe J. Lortz (Baden-Baden, 1958), 507-25; "Die biblische und altkirchliche Grundlage des Papsttums", in: Lebendiges Zeugnis (1958), 3-24. Also of importance are some of the papers in the festschrift for 0. Karrer: Begegnung der Christen, ed. by Roesle-Cullmann (Frankfurt am Mainz, 1959); in particular, K. Hofstetter, "Das Petrusamt in der Kirche des I. und 2. Jahrhunderts", 361-72.

[4] Cf. Hofstetter.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: catholic; petrinesuccession; primacyofpeter
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 2,081-2,092 next last
To: Uncle Chip; kerryusama04

UH OH.... they're calling you a snake handler. You're really getting in trouble with the Romans now!


181 posted on 10/22/2006 12:29:03 PM PDT by Diego1618
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 166 | View Replies]

To: FJ290

But don't forget that the Gospel that Paul preached came from the Resurrected and Ascended Jesus Christ. He received it directly and personally on the road to Damascus and he spent many years with the Lord before he began his ministry.


182 posted on 10/22/2006 12:30:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies]

To: Diego1618

UT oh, you are calling us Christians "Romans" when all of us are Americans. In any event, can't snake handing bn viewed as a compliment? It is, after all, a Biblical referent


183 posted on 10/22/2006 12:31:55 PM PDT by bornacatholic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies]

To: bornacatholic
I learned long ago on FR to leave the heretics to their delusions. Pride prevents them from opening their eyes. "Pray, hope, and don't worry"--Saint Pio


184 posted on 10/22/2006 12:32:32 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (It looks like one of those days when one nuke is just not enough-- Lt. Col. Mitchell, SG-1)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 159 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Eckleburg
Any heretic can claim that he has authority to determine for the Church both the canon and interpretation of Scripture. Only bishops and priests rightfully ordained in succession from the Apostles have legitimate ecclesial authority (including the authority to determine for the Church the authoritative interpretation and implications of 1 Peter2:5-9).

-A8

185 posted on 10/22/2006 12:33:46 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 180 | View Replies]

To: Diego1618

"UH OH.... they're calling you a snake handler. You're really getting in trouble with the Romans now!"

----- I'll take that as a warning to stay out of the garden today.


186 posted on 10/22/2006 12:34:37 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 181 | View Replies]

To: wmfights

It doesn't really matter who formed the compilation of books in Scripture, in that not only in their formation, but in their reading and interretation, the Holy Spirit is still at work today as before in the heart of each believer, even in our Prayers to the Father, interceding with inexpressible groanings to the Father presenting our righteousness to Him in a fashion acceptable to Him, in areas of which we know nothing.

Consider the anthropology of man, in body, soul, and spirit. So much of our worldly perspective of Scripture is identifying an anthology of some 66 books in one binding as a Holy Document, yet what is more important is that the Word of God, or LOGOS, merely provides our thinking, our soul, with some of the same language used to express His thinking, so that the Holy Spirit might be free to make that soulish thinking effective in the growth and setting apart of not only our thinking, our soul, but also in our spirit.

It has been said there are three methods of perception. The senses, as in the body; Rationalism, as in logic/reason, or our soulish thinking; and spiritual perception.

Too often in a worldly sense, i.e. an attempt to bring order out of chaos, we attempt to limit Scripture to only a series of rationalistic expressions, yet His Word is much more than this. The Holy Spirit is able to take our thinking which is being transformed by His Word and further change our thinking, then our spirit, and manifest in our heart and what comes out of man.

In a sense, the only thing that amounts to (divine) good from man is based upon the activity of the Holy Spirit in us. Likewise, even if presented with a distorted form of the Scripture, if we still understand His meaning from that Scripture, He is still free to sanctify us.


187 posted on 10/22/2006 12:36:14 PM PDT by Cvengr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: bornacatholic; Uncle Chip; kerryusama04
can't snake handing be viewed as a compliment? It is, after all, a Biblical referent

You know very well that Mark 16:9-20 is disputed. Why you Romans even resort to quoting it is beyond me.

188 posted on 10/22/2006 12:41:57 PM PDT by Diego1618
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Chip
But don't forget that the Gospel that Paul preached came from the Resurrected and Ascended Jesus Christ. He received it directly and personally on the road to Damascus and he spent many years with the Lord before he began his ministry.

And you need to not forget that before he had his conversion on the road to Damascus,(he didn't receive the Gospel there) he was on that road to jail and have killed more Christian converts! Don't forget the Apostles were originally very wary of him because of his previous reputation and habits.

They had already been converting Christians to the Church which he was imprisioning.

189 posted on 10/22/2006 12:42:58 PM PDT by FJ290
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 182 | View Replies]

To: Diego1618; bornacatholic
You know very well that Mark 16:9-20 is disputed. Why you Romans even resort to quoting it is beyond me.

Why are here preaching at us about the Gospel? Wasn't it you who wouldn't even tell me if you believed that Jesus is God?

190 posted on 10/22/2006 12:45:23 PM PDT by FJ290
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: adiaireton8
True enough. That's why a correct presbyterian system of checks and balances as outlined in Scripture works optimally.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." -- 2 Timothy 2:15

No king but Christ.

191 posted on 10/22/2006 12:45:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 185 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die

" ... it is clear that Peter is the most important of the Apostles."

It is? And what about Paul, who brought Christianity to the gentiles?


192 posted on 10/22/2006 12:47:32 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Conservative til I die

"Paul was an evangelist and preacher, whereas Peter was an authority and a leader."

And what's the difference?


193 posted on 10/22/2006 12:48:28 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: GAB-1955
We are one in faith in Christ Jesus. However the Church Universal is not the same thing as the Roman Catholic Church. In the Church Universal are Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants, among others. Faith in Christ Jesus is our foundation. Catholic doctrine believes that we non-Catholics who have faith but suffer "invincible ignorance" are united to the Catholic faith by desire. There is only one Bride of Christ. It is not based in Rome alone.

First off, the Roman Catholic Church is one of 22 churches that make up the One Holy Catholic Church. Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 22 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches. It is immediately subject to the Roman Pontiff as Patriarch of the West. The Eastern Catholic Churches are each led by a Patriarch, Major Archbishop, or Metropolitan, who governs their Church together with a synod of bishops. Through the Congregation for Oriental Churches, the Roman Pontiff works to assure the health and well-being of the Eastern Catholic Churches.

According to Scripture, Christ wanted us to be one (John 17:22-23).  We are all as a Church to be of one mind and to think the same (Philippians 2:2; Romans 15:5).  There is only to be one "faith" (Ephesians 4:3-6), not many.  For the Church is Christ's Body and Christ only had one Body, not many.  Also, since the Church is Christ's Bride (Ephesians 5:29), can Christ be married to more than one wife (essentially a spiritual form of the the sin of polygamy)?  No, Christ can only have one wife (i.e., one Church, not many).

I don't see how you can say that the Reformers separated from Rome out of ego. It was not personal vanity that led Luther, Calvin, Zwlingli, Hus, and others, except save in the case of the Anglicans. Yes, these men had strong personalities, but if they did not sincerely believe in the Protestant solas, they would have been successful Catholic priests and bishops. Yet their zeal was for the Gospel of Christ, despite their laws.

Ego = personal disagreement.

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." - 1 Corinthians 1:10-17

St. Paul begs the early Christians to be unified in mind and in what they say. There can only be one "true" Christian Church. How can the Holy Spirit guide the Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church, the Presbyterian Church, the Baptist Church, etc. if all of those denominations have doctrines and beliefs differing from each other? There is only one interpretation of the Bible. Otherwise, people can and have "read" literally anything into It.

I will state that the doctrine of justification by faith alone was corrupted from Augustine's day, for example.

In James 2:17,26 - James clearly teaches that faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. Works are a cause, not just an effect, of our justification because good works achieve and increase our justification before God. Scripture never says anything about “saving faith.” Can you show me from the Scriptures that “works” qualify the “faith” into saving faith? Scriptures teach that justification is achieved only when “faith and works” act together. Scripture puts no qualifier on faith. Scripture also never says that faith “leads to works.” Faith is faith and works are works (James 2:18). They are distinct (mind and action), and yet must act together in order to receive God’s unmerited gift of justification.

Furthermore, the reliance on Tradition as a source coequal with Scripture was erroneous. Tradition is valuable, but it cannot replace the supremacy of Scripture.

The Bible Itself states that there are "oral" teachings and traditions that are to be carried on to the present-day (2 Thessalonians 2:15; 1 Corinthians 11:2; 2 Timothy 2:2; Romans 10:17; 1 Peter 1:24-25).  These teachings are what the Catholic Church considers "Sacred Apostolic Tradition."  This type of "Tradition" never changes because it was passed down by the Apostles themselves.  It is not the same as the man-made traditions condemned in Scripture.  The man-made traditions condemned in Scripture were those of the Jewish Pharisees.  In fact, as Christians, we are supposed to disassociate ourselves from persons who do not follow Apostolic Tradition (2 Thessalonians 3:6).  If oral tradition is not to be followed, why did St. Paul state Christ said something that is not recorded in the Gospels (Acts 20:35)?  St. Paul must have "heard" this saying, not read it from any Gospel or "Scripture," thereby, proving that some things Christ said were not recorded in the Gospels (John 21:25) and were passed on orally among His disciples instead, but were just as valid as anything written since St. Paul himself used one of these oral passages in one of his own epistles.

Show me where in Scripture it states that the Bible is the sole and only authority of Christianity.

194 posted on 10/22/2006 12:51:29 PM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies]

To: FJ290
Wasn't it you who wouldn't even tell me if you believed that Jesus is God?

John 10:30.

You must have been talking to yourself.

195 posted on 10/22/2006 12:52:23 PM PDT by Diego1618
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 190 | View Replies]

To: Diego1618
You must have been talking to yourself.

LOL! Oh no, I wasn't!

Please see our exchange in the link below on the subject, "The Crucifix." Post #160, #162, #165, and #166.

The Crucifix

196 posted on 10/22/2006 1:01:54 PM PDT by FJ290
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 195 | View Replies]

To: adiaireton8

"But Christ did not leave us with a book."

Kinda goes against John 1.


197 posted on 10/22/2006 1:07:39 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: AlaninSA; Uncle Chip

Why all the focus on "affiliation" rather Jesus?


198 posted on 10/22/2006 1:11:57 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 109 | View Replies]

To: AlaninSA; Uncle Chip

" ... posting a statement of faith ..."

What does posting a statement of faith have to do with anything? Is that something you paste on your shirt to wear?


199 posted on 10/22/2006 1:16:26 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 129 | View Replies]

To: FJ290

Perhaps you just overlooked these words of the Resurrected Jesus in Acts 9:15: "Go thy way, for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto me, to BEAR MY NAME BEFORE THE GENTILES, and Kings, and the children of Israel".

Paul had a special God-given mission to take the gospel to the Gentiles and the Romans were Gentiles.


200 posted on 10/22/2006 1:17:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 189 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 2,081-2,092 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson