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Peter & Succession (Understanding the Church Today)
Ignatius Insight ^ | 2005 | Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Posted on 10/21/2006 4:52:03 AM PDT by NYer

From Called To Communion: Understanding the Church Today

Editor's note: This is the second half of a chapter titled "The Primacy of Peter and Unity of the Church." The first half examines the status of Peter in the New Testament and the commission logion contained in Matthew 16:17-19.

The principle of succession in general

That the primacy of Peter is recognizable in all the major strands of the New Testament is incontestable.

The real difficulty arises when we come to the second question: Can the idea of a Petrine succession be justified? Even more difficult is the third question that is bound up with it: Can the Petrine succession of Rome be credibly substantiated?

Concerning the first question, we must first of all note that there is no explicit statement regarding the Petrine succession in the New Testament. This is not surprising, since neither the Gospels nor the chief Pauline epistles address the problem of a postapostolic Church—which, by the way, must be mentioned as a sign of the Gospels' fidelity to tradition. Indirectly, however, this problem can be detected in the Gospels once we admit the principle of form critical method according to which only what was considered in the respective spheres of tradition as somehow meaningful for the present was preserved in writing as such. This would mean, for example, that toward the end of the first century, when Peter was long dead, John regarded the former's primacy, not as a thing of the past, but as a present reality for the Church.


For many even believe—though perhaps with a little too much imagination—that they have good grounds for interpreting the "competition" between Peter and the beloved disciple as an echo of the tensions between Rome's claim to primacy and the sense of dignity possessed by the Churches of Asia Minor. This would certainly be a very early and, in addition, inner-biblical proof that Rome was seen as continuing the Petrine line; but we should in no case rely on such uncertain hypotheses. The fundamental idea, however, does seem to me correct, namely, that the traditions of the New Testament never reflect an interest of purely historical curiosity but are bearers of present reality and in that sense constantly rescue things from the mere past, without blurring the special status of the origin.

Moreover, even scholars who deny the principle itself have propounded hypotheses of succession. 0. Cullmann, for example, objects in a very clear-cut fashion to the idea of succession, yet he believes that he can Show that Peter was replaced by James and that this latter assumed the primacy of the erstwhile first apostle. Bultmann believes that he is correct in concluding from the mention of the three pillars in Galatians 2:9 that the course of development led away from a personal to a collegial leadership and that a college entered upon the succession of Peter. [1]

We have no need to discuss these hypotheses and others like them; their foundation is weak enough. Nevertheless, they do show that it is impossible to avoid the idea of succession once the word transmitted in Scripture is considered to be a sphere open to the future. In those writings of the New Testament that stand on the cusp of the second generation or else already belong to it-especially in the Acts of the Apostles and in the Pastoral Letters—the principle of succession does in fact take on concrete shape.

The Protestant notion that the "succession" consists solely in the word as such, but not in any "structures", is proved to be anachronistic in light of what in actual fact is the form of tradition in the New Testament. The word is tied to the witness, who guarantees it an unambiguous sense, which it does not possess as a mere word floating in isolation. But the witness is not an individual who stands independently on his own. He is no more a wit ness by virtue of himself and of his own powers of memory than Peter can be the rock by his own strength. He is not a witness as "flesh and blood" but as one who is linked to the Pneuma, the Paraclete who authenticates the truth and opens up the memory and, in his turn, binds the witness to Christ. For the Paraclete does not speak of himself, but he takes from "what is his" (that is, from what is Christ's: Jn 16: 13).

This binding of the witness to the Pneuma and to his mode of being-"not of himself, but what he hears" -is called "sacrament" in the language of the Church. Sacrament designates a threefold knot-word, witness, Holy Spirit and Christ-which describes the essential structure of succession in the New Testament. We can infer with certainty from the testimony of the Pastoral Letters and of the Acts of the Apostles that the apostolic generation already gave to this interconnection of person and word in the believed presence of the Spirit and of Christ the form of the laying on of hands.

The Petrine succession in Rome

In opposition to the New Testament pattern of succession described above, which withdraws the word from human manipulation precisely by binding witnesses into its service, there arose very early on an intellectual and anti-institutional model known historically by the name of Gnosis, which made the free interpretation and speculative development of the word its principle. Before long the appeal to individual witnesses no longer sufficed to counter the intellectual claim advanced by this tendency. It became necessary to have fixed points by which to orient the testimony itself, and these were found in the so-called apostolic sees, that is, in those where the apostles had been active. The apostolic sees became the reference point of true communio. But among these sees there was in turn–quite clearly in Irenaeus of Lyons–a decisive criterion that recapitulated all others: the Church of Rome, where Peter and Paul suffered martyrdom. It was with this Church that every community had to agree; Rome was the standard of the authentic apostolic tradition as a whole.

Moreover, Eusebius of Caesarea organized the first version of his ecclesiastical history in accord with the same principle. It was to be a written record of the continuity of apostolic succession, which was concentrated in the three Petrine sees Rome, Antioch and Alexandria-among which Rome, as the site of Peter's martyrdom, was in turn preeminent and truly normative. [2]

This leads us to a very fundamental observation. [3] The Roman primacy, or, rather, the acknowledgement of Rome as the criterion of the right apostolic faith, is older than the canon of the New Testament, than "Scripture".

We must be on our guard here against an almost inevitable illusion. "Scripture" is more recent than "the scriptures" of which it is composed. It was still a long time before the existence of the individual writings resulted in the "New Testament" as Scripture, as the Bible. The assembling of the writings into a single Scripture is more properly speaking the work of tradition, a work that began in the second century but came to a kind of conclusion only in the fourth or fifth century. Harnack, a witness who cannot be suspected of pro-Roman bias, has remarked in this regard that it was only at the end of the second century, in Rome, that a canon of the "books of the New Testament" won recognition by the criterion of apostolicity-catholicity, a criterion to which the other Churches also gradually subscribed "for the sake of its intrinsic value and on the strength of the authority of the Roman Church".

We can therefore say that Scripture became Scripture through the tradition, which precisely in this process included the potentior principalitas–the preeminent original authority–of the Roman see as a constitutive element.

Two points emerge clearly from what has just been First, the principle of tradition in its sacramental form-apostolic succession—played a constitutive role in the existence and continuance of the Church. Without this principle, it is impossible to conceive of a New Testament at all, so that we are caught in a contradiction when we affirm the one while wanting to deny the other. Furthermore, we have seen that in Rome the traditional series of bishops was from the very beginning recorded as a line of successors.

We can add that Rome and Antioch were conscious of succeeding to the mission of Peter and that early on Alexandria was admitted into the circle of Petrine sees as the city where Peter's disciple Mark had been active. Having said all that, the site of Peter's martyrdom nonetheless appears clearly as the chief bearer of his supreme authority and plays a preeminent role in the formation of tradition which is constitutive of the Church-and thus in the genesis of the New Testament as Bible; Rome is one of the indispensable internal and external- conditions of its possibility. It would be exciting to trace the influence on this process of the idea that the mission of Jerusalem had passed over to Rome, which explains why at first Jerusalem was not only not a "patriarchal see" but not even a metropolis: Jerusalem was now located in Rome, and since Peter's departure from that city, its primacy had been transferred to the capital of the pagan world. [4]

But to consider this in detail would lead us too far afield for the moment. The essential point, in my opinion, has already become plain: the martyrdom of Peter in Rome fixes the place where his function continues. The awareness of this fact can be detected as early as the first century in the Letter of Clement, even though it developed but slowly in all its particulars.

Concluding reflections

We shall break off at this point, for the chief goal of our considerations has been attained. We have seen that the New Testament as a whole strikingly demonstrates the primacy of Peter; we have seen that the formative development of tradition and of the Church supposed the continuation of Peter's authority in Rome as an intrinsic condition. The Roman primacy is not an invention of the popes, but an essential element of ecclesial unity that goes back to the Lord and was developed faithfully in the nascent Church.

But the New Testament shows us more than the formal aspect of a structure; it also reveals to us the inward nature of this structure. It does not merely furnish proof texts, it is a permanent criterion and task. It depicts the tension between skandalon and rock; in the very disproportion between man's capacity and God's sovereign disposition, it reveals God to be the one who truly acts and is present.

If in the course of history the attribution of such authority to men could repeatedly engender the not entirely unfounded suspicion of human arrogation of power, not only the promise of the New Testament but also the trajectory of that history itself prove the opposite. The men in question are so glaringly, so blatantly unequal to this function that the very empowerment of man to be the rock makes evident how little it is they who sustain the Church but God alone who does so, who does so more in spite of men than through them.

The mystery of the Cross is perhaps nowhere so palpably present as in the primacy as a reality of Church history. That its center is forgiveness is both its intrinsic condition and the sign of the distinctive character of God's power. Every single biblical logion about the primacy thus remains from generation to generation a signpost and a norm, to which we must ceaselessly resubmit ourselves. When the Church adheres to these words in faith, she is not being triumphalistic but humbly recognizing in wonder and thanksgiving the victory of God over and through human weakness. Whoever deprives these words of their force for fear of triumphalism or of human usurpation of authority does not proclaim that God is greater but diminishes him, since God demonstrates the power of his love, and thus remains faithful to the law of the history of salvation, precisely in the paradox of human impotence.

For with the same realism with which we declare today the sins of the popes and their disproportion to the magnitude of their commission, we must also acknowledge that Peter has repeatedly stood as the rock against ideologies, against the dissolution of the word into the plausibilities of a given time, against subjection to the powers of this world.

When we see this in the facts of history, we are not celebrating men but praising the Lord, who does not abandon the Church and who desired to manifest that he is the rock through Peter, the little stumbling stone: "flesh and blood" do not save, but the Lord saves through those who are of flesh and blood. To deny this truth is not a plus of faith, not a plus of humility, but is to shrink from the humility that recognizes God as he is. Therefore the Petrine promise and its historical embodiment in Rome remain at the deepest level an ever-renewed motive for joy: the powers of hell will not prevail against it . . .


Endnotes:

[1] Die Geschichte der synoptischen Tradition, 2d ed. (198 1), 147- 51; cf. Gnilka, 56.

[2] For an exhaustive account of this point, see V. Twomey, Apostolikos Thronos (Münster, 1982).

[3] It is my hope that in the not-too-distant future I will have the opportunity to develop and substantiate in greater detail the view of the succession that I attempt to indicate in an extremely condensed form in what follows. I owe important suggestions to several works by 0. Karrer, especially: Um die Einheit der Christen. Die Petrusfrage (Frankfurt am Mainz, 1953); "Apostolische Nachfolge und Primat", in: Feiner, Trütsch and Böckle, Fragen in der Theologie heute (Freiburg im.Breisgau, 1957), 175-206; "Das Petrusamt in der Frühkirche", in Festgabe J. Lortz (Baden-Baden, 1958), 507-25; "Die biblische und altkirchliche Grundlage des Papsttums", in: Lebendiges Zeugnis (1958), 3-24. Also of importance are some of the papers in the festschrift for 0. Karrer: Begegnung der Christen, ed. by Roesle-Cullmann (Frankfurt am Mainz, 1959); in particular, K. Hofstetter, "Das Petrusamt in der Kirche des I. und 2. Jahrhunderts", 361-72.

[4] Cf. Hofstetter.


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To: adiaireton8; Quix

I always find it humorous to hear things like, "God gives all believers the authority/ability to [fill in the blank]." However, you will see these same people argue for days that the Pope has no authority or ability to do these things.


1,521 posted on 10/26/2006 7:12:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

WRONG.

We merely construe it that the top Roman has no EXTRA ability beyond that which Holy Spirit might grant any believers AT THE SPIRIT'S CHOOSING.


1,523 posted on 10/26/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

So, you acknowledge that you have no proof against Papal Infallibility?


1,524 posted on 10/26/2006 7:16:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl
Since you have the same authority as the Apostles, and since we don't need to obey you, therefore, apparently, we don't need to obey the Apostles. And therefore, apparently, we don't need to obey the writings of the Apostles (i.e. the NT). That is going to come as a big surprise to most Christinans.

-A8

1,525 posted on 10/26/2006 7:17:51 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

Sounds suspiciously like Mormonism if you ask me.


1,526 posted on 10/26/2006 7:21:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Quix

"provoke unto love and good works but particularly toward a more intimate relationship, dance with God."
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I agree, but I always check against Scripture.


1,527 posted on 10/26/2006 7:24:46 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: Star Chamber; Alamo-Girl

Part of me wants to go BBBBTTTTTTT at so much lawyer type wording.

Instead, I think I'll just note the Biblical standard given

. . . does the source/speaker assert

THAT CHRIST CAME IN THE FLESH . . .

Works for me.

After that, probably the fruits of The Spirit in any Biblical list are added information contributive to accurate conclusions about the spirituality . . . and thereby the kosherness of the individual(s) concerned.

Fruitfulness, is also a Biblical fruit of The Spirit.

I don't know of any better criteria, at all.

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In the coming months and years . . . ALL authority of an earthly sort--is going to be at least shaken--probably most will be shredded, flushed and/or at best thoroughly overhauled and reararranged.

In most locales and probably all at one time or another . . . there will be no effective authority on the natural plain. The spiritual warfare in the heavenlies will have descended to earth with a vengeance.

Children younger than 8 or 10 will wield spiritual authority that will send generals and their armies to their deaths and hell . . . as such anointed children speak out what Holy Spirit gives them to say.

HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE INCREASINGLY IN CHARGE COVERTLY AND OVERTLY. He will do so through UTTERLY YIELDED VESSELS. Others will muddle through as best they can, which won't be very well. Hearing and obeying Holy Spirit will be the only protection, the only life.

I care not how many doubt the above words. Time will tell. And all who have read them will remember.


1,528 posted on 10/26/2006 7:25:30 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: wagglebee

I personally have not prayed about the current leading Roman. I don't know how much of an earnest truly spiritual man of God he might be or might not be.

From what I've heard, I'm impressed by his standards of righteousness compared to many who have filled the office.

I haven't read of any healings, resurrections, other sorts of overt miracles at his hand.


1,529 posted on 10/26/2006 7:27:19 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: wagglebee

Papal infallibility?

LOL. No. I don't acknowledge that, at all. I decline to offer any besides a generic note to encourage folks to review the historical record.

In terms of the long list of folks in that office, I think I have more confidence in Binny Hinn's infallibility . . . which isn't much . . . though since God took him to the woodshed over his pride, he's done much better.

I understand that in an European venue recently, everyone in the building was on the floor, including Benny's staff. I love it when Holy Spirit surprises people.


1,530 posted on 10/26/2006 7:29:57 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: adiaireton8

It's difficult to know how to respond to utter nonsense.


1,531 posted on 10/26/2006 7:30:38 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: wmfights

Yes, the Scriptural standard is quite vitally important.


1,532 posted on 10/26/2006 7:31:14 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl
JESUS GAVE ALL BELIEVERS such authority. He made that clear. Paul made that clear.

Since "Jesus gave all believers such authority", and since I am a believer, therefore I too have such authority. Why then don't you obey me, and treat my words as the words of the NT?

-A8

1,533 posted on 10/26/2006 7:32:09 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

There are some eroneous assumptions in those lines. Perhaps I'll get to them later in the day. About to head out to the college.

Cheeky assumptions, pretentions don't usually make sound theology, though.


1,534 posted on 10/26/2006 7:33:44 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: adiaireton8

I do believe the Roman bible has the verse about:

THSE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE . . .

Mercifully, there are SOME Romans around the world living that verse out with great miraculous effect.


1,535 posted on 10/26/2006 7:34:48 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
It's difficult to know how to respond to utter nonsense.

It is an argument, and there are only ways to refute an argument: show one of the premises to be false or show that conclusion does not follow from the premises. So here is the argument laid out in syllogistic form:

(1) Quix has the same authority as the Apostles,

(2) We do not need to obey Quix.

Therefore:

(3) We do not need to obey the Apostles. [from (1) & (2)]

(4) The NT is the writing of the Apostles

Therefore:

(5) We do not need to obey the NT: [from (3) and (4)]

- A8

1,536 posted on 10/26/2006 7:36:54 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

I'm not sure if the tidy little box has shrunk or the . . . have bound up.

But I doubt I'll research it out very far.


1,537 posted on 10/26/2006 7:38:52 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: HarleyD
"Many of the early fathers were coming out of pagan cultures and, as godly as they tried to be given their situation, they were prone to errors just like everyone else. Some of them held very strange ideas and the Eucharist was one of them. But I really see the problems develop later (around 600AD and upwards) as humanism enveloped the church,..."
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I wonder if the humanism that developed came from the gnostics who were never completely rooted out?

One interesting theory I've read about the common meal tradition, during which they had the Eucharist, is that it was the communal nature and fellowship that led to Jesus being there (not in the substances).

I think it is clear that because of man's fallibility it is always best to rely on the "God breathed" inspired writings that are the New Testament and not on any source that is subject to historical pressures.
1,538 posted on 10/26/2006 7:39:39 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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To: adiaireton8; Quix
Thank you for your reply and questions!

(1) why did Jesus give His Apostles the authority to bind and loose and forgive and retain sins, and to speak in His name such that whoever listens to them listens to Him, and whoever rejects them rejects Him? (Luke 10:6; 1 John 4:6) And

I John 4:4-6 is addressed to all of us, not just the twelve apostles (emphasis mine):

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Likewise, Luke 10:1-6 is addressed to those He appointed to precede His coming, not just the twelve apostles. Again, the labor is about the power of God not the will of the laborers (emphasis mine):

After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly [is] great, but the labourers [are] few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace [be] to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.

And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you: And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].

And he turned him unto [his] disciples, and said privately, Blessed [are] the eyes which see the things that ye see: For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard [them]. – Luke 10:1-24

Without Him, we can do nothing.

I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. – John 15:5

You also asked:

(2) why do you consider the writings of the Apostles (i.e. the NT) authoritative? And

Because the indwelling Spirit brings the Scriptures alive within me as my eyes pass over the words.

I used to consider the Scriptures like any other ancient manuscript (which I love to read by the way.) I studied them diligently with maps, commentaries, lexicons and the whole nine yards.

Then one day along the way in my long walk with the Lord, the truth came to me that the Scriptures are not text-on-paper, they are words of God, alive. From that moment foreword, I read the Scriptures casually like a love letter – and the words came alive within me. And not only that, but the indwelling Spirit brings specific passages to mind throughout the day according to my personal need.

The Spirit also leads my investigation into many other things, gives me understanding and encourages me or discourages me from certain paths.

Sometimes He confirms a truth casually spoken by another Christian. One such example was a little blue haired lady who, after the preacher spoke of Peter’s sinking trying to go to Jesus on the water, that “sinking wasn’t his job.” It rang true within me.

(3) why are the Twelve Apostles the foundation stones of the Church (Rev 21:14) and why will they "sit upon twelve thrones" (Matt 19:28; Luke 22:30)?

Because they are honored in the same way the twelve sons of Jacob are honored. Although she doesn’t sit among the twelve or twenty four, Mary is honored and the woman who washed Jesus’ feet is honored. Likewise, Abraham is honored though he is not among either group of twelve, nor is Moses or David or Isaiah or Enoch or Elijah and so on.

Are the twelve apostles more honored than Mary or Abraham or Moses or David simply because they are honored as foundation gemstones? Hardly! Nor should it matter to any of us:

But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who [should be] the greatest. And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, [the same] shall be last of all, and servant of all. – Mark 9:34-35

Notably the twelve apostles are honored by the colorful foundation stones of the New Jerusalem, the twelve sons of Jacob are honored by the twelve gates of pearl. I believe this is an important metaphor that applies to Christianity as compared to Judaism before Christ.

We Christians are to walk in His Light:

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. – I John 5:5-7

Light passing through gemstones produces different colors and this, I am sure, is an important element of the metaphor. Some of us are red like rubies, others blue like sapphires, some green like emeralds, some violet like amethysts. And some of us can only reflect light, like an onyx, it does not pass through us. Of all the gemstones, only the diamond does not add its own color to the Light.

Thus it is my goal to be transparent in Him so that His Light can shine through me without obstruction or tinting. But in the end I’ll be happy not to be onyx. LOL!

1,539 posted on 10/26/2006 7:50:41 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Uncle Chip; Diego1618; Dr. Eckleburg

"Once again, thank you for pointing me to "the Fathers", the warm greeting of the brethren when I joined this thread has inspired me to return the favor. This great work that we will post here will answer a lot of questions, but of course, raise a lot more as well. But that's life."
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I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this discussion and the obvious scholarship involved. However, I keep wondering why would the Church in Rome not have corrected the error in recognizing who founded the church there. They would have known who was their founder, or did this begin so many years after the fact no one was left who could refute it?


1,540 posted on 10/26/2006 7:51:00 AM PDT by wmfights (Psalm : 27)
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