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To: Diva; wideawake
I see you must be one of those who's got his feet surely planted in reality. Such condescension towards romantics is generally a feature of "high minded" rationalists. I doubt I would be able to truly convince you of the real reason Latin should be retained... because it's not a reason that would even fit your understanding of the universe. However, I will say that Christianity, and especially Catholicism, is irredeemably romantic.

Those are beautiful words. Unfortunately for whatever reason there are some things about which even the most romantic and conservative Catholics are rationalists; historical criticism of the Bible, for example, or evolutionism. For some reason the "changelessness" of the "changeless Church" never seems to quite reach that far. The Bible is still "inerrant," but "inerrant" is always re-defined. These are simply areas where the most "leftwing Protestant" (not the modern political sense, but the sense of the "radical" Reformation) are lightyears to the Right of the most conservative Catholic or Orthodox.

Please excuse my butting into this thread. I've been reading it with interest as a former Catholic and do not intend to start a fight or anything.

Sometimes I get the idea that the ancient liturgical religions subconsciously agree with the late Romanian critical scholar Mircea Eliade (mach shemo!) that "ritual" transcends "myth" and that it makes perfect sense to continue the ritual even after the last believer in the "myths" it teaches have long since departed.

Be well.

250 posted on 10/12/2006 10:43:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vesamachta bechaggeykha vehayyita 'akh sameach.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Bible is still "inerrant," but "inerrant" is always re-defined.

Truth is always inerrant and it is also always re-defined.

These are simply areas where the most "leftwing Protestant" (not the modern political sense, but the sense of the "radical" Reformation) are lightyears to the Right of the most conservative Catholic or Orthodox.

I'm not sure if I follow you on this but the Reformationist protestants were pietist to the nth degree even as they were in rebellion against the Church. It puts me in mind of Mark's Gospel where he quotes the Christ as saying:

8 "You depart from God's command and hold onto human tradition. Indeed," 9 he said to them, "you have made a fine art of departing from God's command in order to keep your tradition! 10 For Moshe said, `Honor your father and your mother,' and `Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 11 But you say, `If someone says to his father or mother, "I have promised as a korban" ' " (that is, as a gift to God) " ` "what I might have used to help you," ' 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13 Thus, with your tradition which you had handed down to you, you nullify the Word of God! And you do other things like this."

-Mark 7:8-13

And yes, I realize that That is what they say about we Catholics as well.

Pax.

280 posted on 10/13/2006 8:11:24 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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