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To: betty boop
What stipulates, or governs, the "seemingly every possible niche and condition," VadeRetro? You seem to indicate on these grounds that some things aren't "possible." By what criterion (or criteria) do you discriminate between the possible and the impossible?

I'm pretty sure there are place on Earth that are really, really, too hot to contain any sort of life at all. There may even be conditions which are in one way or another too toxic, although I'm guessing here. Thus, I hedge my language a little, trying to be as accurate as possible. It doesn't mean I'm not saying what I'm saying, or that it doesn't need to be addressed.

At the very least, it seems you admit there may be a problem of impossible vs. possible here.

If I have made an admission that undercuts my point, I don't see it myself. (Not that I wouldn't as I said make every effort to be strictly accurate.)

Plus you are leaving out the time problem.

I was making a specific point. I wasn't anticipating every objection ever thought up on the spur of a moment to abiogenesis.

And evolution itself -- in order to BE evolution -- needs not just time, but a direction for time. After all, evolution is not temporally reversible.

If time ever backed up, how would we know, and why does the process of evolution depend more than any other on it not happening? When I reverse a VCR tape or CD, the characters in the movie don't realize I'm doing it. Furthermore, the movie still ends the same way when I let it go forward. OK, the characters aren't really present on my recorded media, just some visual and auditory impressions. Doesn't matter. We are trapped in time the way those movie events are trapped on the media. Backing up just results in replaying the same old history the same way again and again.

However, all this is utterly off point from what I said. The abiotic soup can only happen once. You have life and it's a different world. Anybody can understand that who isn't militantly trying not to. It doesn't take a genius. It just takes not having certain very specific fish to fry. When a question like that is being discussed, anyone who doesn't have those particular fish to fry can see the people who behaving bizarrely.

1,688 posted on 09/28/2006 4:36:24 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
When a question like that is being discussed, anyone who doesn't have those particular fish to fry can see the people who behaving bizarrely.

"... people who DO ..."

1,690 posted on 09/28/2006 4:45:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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