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To: Virginia-American
We've had this conversations before, V-A. It won't hurt to say it again: illusions, trips, psychedelics, and other things called unreal are impotent to build a civilization or a happy family.

V-A: I don't know of any reliable way of distinguishing madness or epilepsy from "divine revelation"

cornelis: Madness and epilepsy don't create a civilization.

1,405 posted on 09/25/2006 7:02:57 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis

I dunno. Mohammed? LIke it or not, I'd say the Dar al Islam is a civilization. I'd also say that Mo was epileptic.

Joseph Smith? Mormonism isn't exactly a civilization, but I'd say he built some happy families. Dunno the diagnosis, whether he was mad or simply a con artist who fooled himself.

And on the other hand, there've been quite a few civilizations with divine rulers: Mesoppotamia, Egypt, Japan, the Aztecs, the Inca.

But there have also been plenty without them: Rome, Athens, our own US.

This is all very interesting, but doesn't get to the question AG and I were discussing: she has had experiences that she attributes to the Spirit giving her a glimpse of the Divine (if I understand correctly). I'm saying if such a thing happened to me, I'd treat it as a symptom and see a doctor (and hope friends and family would, if I were too caught up in the experience). How do you tell the illusions from the real thing, in the case of yourself, and in the case of a loved one?


1,406 posted on 09/25/2006 7:44:15 AM PDT by Virginia-American (What do you call an honest creationist? An evolutionist.)
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