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Darwin on the Right: Why Christians and conservatives should accept evolution
Scientific American ^ | October 2006 issue | Michael Shermer

Posted on 09/18/2006 1:51:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: ahayes
Very well put. I'd offer some minor additions, if you'll let me. We understand that Pasteur's experiment was conducted to test the hypothesis of spontaneous generation. He concluded there was no spontaneity.

Have there been any experiments since then to make his observation obsolete?

1,461 posted on 09/25/2006 1:56:49 PM PDT by cornelis (La génération spontanée est une chimère. --Pasteur)
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To: js1138
The Pasteur issue, from the Index to Creationist Claims.
1,462 posted on 09/25/2006 2:02:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and that's what liberals do.)
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To: js1138
Miller et al. continue to give hope.

As far as Darwin is concerned, he had misgivings about it, allowing for theism in his Origin of Species, admitting laws as being "impressed on matter by the Creator" and that biotic powers were "breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one."

1,463 posted on 09/25/2006 2:06:02 PM PDT by cornelis (La génération spontanée est une chimère. --Pasteur)
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To: PatrickHenry

"You are wise to accept the findings of science, and not to let it interfere with your faith."

Thanks much and there is no reason science should interfere with anyone's faith.


1,464 posted on 09/25/2006 2:06:58 PM PDT by BLS (Outside of a dog, a book is mans' best friend. Inside a dog it is too dark to read a book.)
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To: PatrickHenry

"You are wise to accept the findings of science, and not to let it interfere with your faith."

Thanks much and there is no reason science should interfere with anyone's faith.


1,465 posted on 09/25/2006 2:07:03 PM PDT by BLS (Outside of a dog, a book is mans' best friend. Inside a dog it is too dark to read a book.)
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To: Liberal Classic

"welcome to FR."

Thank you.


1,466 posted on 09/25/2006 2:08:07 PM PDT by BLS (Outside of a dog, a book is mans' best friend. Inside a dog it is too dark to read a book.)
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To: cornelis

"Spontaneous generation" as Pasteur defined it was known species (flies, mice, etc.) suddenly within a short time frame popping into existence on appropriate substrate. Some of Pasteur's original experimental apparatuses remain at the Pasteur Institute where they still have not spontaneously produced modern bacteria. I believe it is universally accepted that such a thing does not occur.

All of this says nothing about the possibility of abiogenesis as we would define it, being a completely different creature. Using Pasteur's experiments to forbid prebiotic evolution and abiogenesis would be like stubbornly continuing to be puzzled by the massive heat output of the sun--we now know that the heat is due to fusion, which no one before 1920 would have dreamed about.


1,467 posted on 09/25/2006 2:11:19 PM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: hosepipe
Must be why they [students -LC] act like monkeys performing RAP music.

I find this statement to be vaguely racist in nature.

1,468 posted on 09/25/2006 2:15:42 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: ahayes
All of this says nothing about the possibility of abiogenesis as we would define it

I am not aware of anybody making claims of such a sort since I joined the thread.

You want abiogenesis?

1,469 posted on 09/25/2006 2:16:55 PM PDT by cornelis (La génération spontanée est une chimère. --Pasteur)
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To: cornelis

If you think Pasteur's experiments are irrelevant to the origin of life, why are we discussing them? *scratches head*


1,470 posted on 09/25/2006 2:19:57 PM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: ahayes; js1138

He, he. Because the claim that life only comes from life was attributed to Darwin.

I guess we can't be expected to read the entire thread!


1,471 posted on 09/25/2006 2:25:21 PM PDT by cornelis (La génération spontanée est une chimère. --Pasteur)
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To: cornelis

It's hard to when it's been so gutted by various deletions.

Since we all seem to agree Pasteur's experiments are irrelevant to the origin of life, I trust we can move on! Until the next time someone tries to make this claim. :-D


1,472 posted on 09/25/2006 2:31:47 PM PDT by ahayes (My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure.)
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To: ahayes

Brother in pondscum placemarker. LOL


1,474 posted on 09/25/2006 3:26:50 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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To: PatrickHenry

The Pasteur thing was a red herring, a tactic not prohibited by the site. Calling attention to plagiarism or manufactured quotations apparently is grounds for having your posts pulled.

What's next?


1,475 posted on 09/25/2006 3:30:19 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

"Thanks for sharing" is a polite way of saying "kiss off". Don't thank me for sharing my concerns. Talk to some of your friends about painting people with a broad bush. If someone says something like "evolutionists believe the Lord is a liar" take the time to explain to them that while you share their view of Creation there are ample number of devout folks who don't deserve to be thusly smeared. If someone says something like "you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution" tell them that there are people of good will who disagree. When someone such as yourself desires to cultivate a reputation for fair-mindedness, such a person could do no less.


1,476 posted on 09/25/2006 3:34:21 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: js1138

It appears to me you can say anything you want so long as you phrase it in the third person.


1,477 posted on 09/25/2006 3:38:28 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic
It appears to me you can say anything you want so long as you phrase it in the third person.

Thanks, Sherlock, now you've blown it for the rest of us!

;^)

1,478 posted on 09/25/2006 4:00:09 PM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: Liberal Classic

There is such a thing as a person having the opinion that another unnamed person is an ass, but one would never express such an opinion in the polite presence of polite people while they are discussing lofty matters of monkeys and music.


1,479 posted on 09/25/2006 4:02:45 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138
What's next?

Donno. The rules are different here. Not just the behavior rules, which don't trouble me as long as they're applied even-handedly, but the intellectual rules seem to be different here. I prefer the tradition of having science news threads in the news forum -- where they belong. I suspect that the religion mod would like that too.

1,480 posted on 09/25/2006 4:10:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and that's what liberals do.)
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