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To: starfish923
5. I guess Indian civil liberties were just done away with for these forcibly-sterilized young women.

The most publicized episode of forcible sterilization of Indian women took place during the Emergency, which was declared by prime minister Indira Ghandi in 1975. It lasted two years and entailed a draconian curtailment of democratic rights and liberties. During this time, nearly one million people were forcibly sterilized against their will.

Forcible sterilization drives are no longer run by the Indian government, but Indians are still paid cold cash for each sterilized woman they produce. Each woman is worth several hundred dollars. You can imagine the abuse that is possible within this corrupt, poverty-stricken system. Coerced sterilizations continue at a local level.

Population control programs like the ones still operating in India and Africa, are run under the auspices, or at the behest, of the World Health Organisation, an arm of the United Nations.

Through the United Nations, and the World Health Organization, liberal disciples of Margaret Sanger (ie, Planned Parenthood International) are able to exert their will upon those they decide are "Not Fit to Breed" (ie. poor, coloured people.)

Through their efforts, development money is tied to population control, in order to force poor countries to abandon traditional moral values which treasure motherhood and forbid fornication and contraception. In order to receive aid, they must adopt Western European secular ideas concerning women and the family.

I mentioned that my Professor was a full blown feminist because I thought it was interesting that she, a Liberal, was able to see that the WHO, UN, Planned Parenthood groups ( which Liberals usually drool over,) were actually racist and anti-poor. In this case, she was able to see that conservative, pro-life groups were the pro-poor, pro-family organisations.

Even in the Great United States of America, this stuff happens. I taught reading in an inner city school system, full time last year. One part of the curriculum (which I refused to teach,) included the "Making Proud Choices" sex-ed program. It taught condom/contraceptive use, graphically, to high school students. The program advertised itself as appropriate for "urban, African-American youth." In other words, poor black kids.

I grew up in a rich, white town. If someone mentioned the word "condom" in my health class, the school would be burned down. My sex-ed classes taught respect and self-control. There were high standards I was expected to meet, and meet them I did, by the Grace of God.

But in poor, urban areas, there are no expectations for the children. They can't be expected to say no to sex. They are the equivalent of dogs in heat.

Population Control treats poor, minority groups as if they were over-breeding animals, infesting the world with their inferior children.

Conservatives are often accused of being Imperialists ... the fact is, the liberal Planned Parenthood Facists are the real racist, western Imperialists, forcing their ideology of abortion and contraception on poor and minority populations. They are the promoters of the worst western Imperialism there is: Population Control.

Since George W. Bush took office, American funding of UN population control programs has been severely restricted.
52 posted on 08/05/2006 1:35:15 PM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: Lilllabettt

I am so glad to see one so young who has not fallen for the lies of this culture. God bless you.


53 posted on 08/05/2006 5:56:42 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Lilllabettt
The most publicized episode of forcible sterilization of Indian women took place during the Emergency, which was declared by prime minister Indira Ghandi in 1975. It lasted two years and entailed a draconian curtailment of democratic rights and liberties. During this time, nearly one million people were forcibly sterilized against their will.
Thank you for the information. Civil liberties WERE just done away with. Not India's proudest moment, I suppose. China does the same thing with population control, forced sterilization and one-child only "programs." But, then, China is communist and has no pretense at a democracy or civil liberties. Never did.

Forcible sterilization drives are no longer run by the Indian government, but Indians are still paid cold cash for each sterilized woman they produce. Each woman is worth several hundred dollars. You can imagine the abuse that is possible within this corrupt, poverty-stricken system. Coerced sterilizations continue at a local level.
Yes, I can imagine. Cash for sterility. Sad.

Population control programs like the ones still operating in India and Africa, are run under the auspices, or at the behest, of the World Health Organisation, an arm of the United Nations.
The point is that the Indian government allows the U.N. to operate in India, or, as a behest, the Indian government invites the U.N. to run "population control programs." I guess money is a factor there too.
Perhaps the Indian government really doesn't believe in unfettered population explosions, especially when the poor are the hardest hit in infant deaths, health problems, famines, etc. Perhaps the spectre of famines dampens its enthusiam for population explosions.

Through the United Nations, and the World Health Organization, liberal disciples of Margaret Sanger (ie, Planned Parenthood International) are able to exert their will upon those they decide are "Not Fit to Breed" (ie. poor, coloured people.)
Are the rich, coloured people unfit to live? I doubt it. They can afford all the things money can buy.
Are the poor, white people fit to live simply because they are white or Brahmins? Are there so many poor white, Brahmins? Honest question. Sounds to me that the problem is that most of the poorest happen to be the darkest. In the end, the caste system produced the racism. The lowest caste were the darkest because they were valued the least.

Through their efforts, development money is tied to population control, in order to force poor countries to abandon traditional moral values which treasure motherhood and forbid fornication and contraception. In order to receive aid, they must adopt Western European secular ideas concerning women and the family.
Well, if India is foolish enough to adopt the worst of the West and can't come up with birth control and keeping Indian values, then India is doomed.

I mentioned that my Professor was a full blown feminist because I thought it was interesting that she, a Liberal, was able to see that the WHO, UN, Planned Parenthood groups ( which Liberals usually drool over,) were actually racist and anti-poor. In this case, she was able to see that conservative, pro-life groups were the pro-poor, pro-family organisations.
Even in the Great United States of America, this stuff happens. I taught reading in an inner city school system, full time last year. One part of the curriculum (which I refused to teach,) included the "Making Proud Choices" sex-ed program. It taught condom/contraceptive use, graphically, to high school students. The program advertised itself as appropriate for "urban, African-American youth." In other words, poor black kids.

Well, then if you were in the great United States of American, you would KNOW that the education in public schools stinks to high heavens and that, in the nasty Western world, we rank amoung the lowest educationally. So, I would hardly hold up my country's education as any standard.
Also, racsim is often the glib answer to problems. If this country were so racist there wouldn't be Oprey Winfreys, Bill Cosbys and the PLETHORA of wealthy and middle class black people.
The problems are 99.9% economics, not racism. If it were just racism, then ALL races, besides, whites, would be doing badly. But that isn't the case.
Our Chinese (and other Asian) communites do extremely well in America. The index for success shows them at the top of the good lists, education, degrees, stable marriages, two-parent families, home ownership, business degrees, advanced degrees, etc. They are at the bottom of the bad lists: least incarcerated, least divorces, least on welfare, etc. In fact, they do better than whites in ALL categories.
However, there are those who see only racism as the only cause to a problem, just as some women see sexism as the only cause to women's problems. Ralph Nader has always blamed ALL of America's problems on BIG BUSINESS and CORPORATIONS.
It's all rather simplistic thinking. Economics, education, societal structure, religion and some other factors, all contribute to the success, or lack thereof, of populations.

I grew up in a rich, white town. If someone mentioned the word "condom" in my health class, the school would be burned down. My sex-ed classes taught respect and self-control. There were high standards I was expected to meet, and meet them I did, by the Grace of God.
But in poor, urban areas, there are no expectations for the children. They can't be expected to say no to sex. They are the equivalent of dogs in heat.
Population Control treats poor, minority groups as if they were over-breeding animals, infesting the world with their inferior children.

Sounds like it's mostly about money. It has a lot to do with it, but NOT everything.
There are poor people in our country who DO have high expectations for their children. They are good, honest, decent people. Some people think that poor people produce the crime, that education is all poor people need. NOT TRUE. Poor people can be very religious, good, honest people.
Fact: The MOST CHARITABLE, most giving state in the union in this great nation, PER CAPITA, is Mississippi, our country's POOREST state. Massachusetts, one of the wealthier states, rates #49 on the "giving" rating. In other words, the poorest are the most charitable.

Conservatives are often accused of being Imperialists ... the fact is, the liberal Planned Parenthood Facists are the real racist, western Imperialists, forcing their ideology of abortion and contraception on poor and minority populations. They are the promoters of the worst western Imperialism there is: Population Control.
Abortion is a tool of communism. I know you would LOVE to blame it all on western Imperialism, but facts don't support you. Your neighbors to the north, the Chinese, have been forcing sterilization and birth control for a long time. Their one-child program seems to have escaped your notice.
And believe me, the despots of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Fidel Castro and other non-Westerners never had to worry about population problems because they murdered millions of their own people. That is THEIR "population control" problem.
Population control is a neutral tool, like any medical procedure. It's neither good nor bad. In the hands of people with brains, values and a plan, population control SHOULD be in the hands of free, adult individuals, not out-of-control governments who have "programs" to force, coerce or bribe people into submission to some government "plan." That is madness.
It's not "western imperialism" either. I know that it's a catchy phrase and sounds good to the frustrated ear, but THAT is skewed logic to think so. It's the foolish governments who take this neutral tool and turn it into a monstrous program who are the problem, not some faraway imaginary system called "western imperialism."
India has been a mature, ancient people long enough (3500 years) not to blame ANYONE (even the nasty ole tradition boogey man, western imperialism) but ITSELF for its problems.

Since George W. Bush took office, American funding of UN population control programs has been severely restricted.
Americans shouldn't be paying. Other countries should handle their own problems their own ways. There aren't too many Americans who like the current U.N. I don't. The ONLY thing they should do is rescue work and public health, as in curing the sick, not sterilizing them.

55 posted on 08/05/2006 8:53:48 PM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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