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To: Slugworth

What you are saying is that the individual's subjective state of mind is what determines whether or not he incurs the excommunication. Even though the Pope explicitly pronounced the penalty of excommunication upon Lefebvre, the latter's alleged belief that he was acting out of "necessity" nullifies the Pope's action. If this were true, then the Church could never excommunicate or punish anyone for doing anything because the individuals could always claim that they were acting out of "necessity." If a woman thinks that she has to have an abortion even though she knows it is wrong, then she could not be excommunicated. If a priest thinks that he has to violate the secrecy of the confessional, then he can't be punished. The Church could not excommunicate any heretic or schismatic, regardless of how much scandal that person caused.

Your logic and your understanding of canon law are seriously flawed.


93 posted on 06/16/2006 12:48:16 PM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative
What you are saying is that the individual's subjective state of mind is what determines whether or not he incurs the excommunication.

No, I'm saying the indidual's guilt or innocence determines whether the excummunication is incurred.

Even though the Pope explicitly pronounced the penalty of excommunication upon Lefebvre,

For the...what...3rd time?: He only confirmed, rightly or wrongly, that latae sententiae excommunication had been incurred. He didn't "pronounce" anything.

the latter's alleged belief that he was acting out of "necessity" nullifies the Pope's action. If this were true, then the Church could never excommunicate or punish anyone for doing anything because the individuals could always claim that they were acting out of "necessity." If a woman thinks that she has to have an abortion even though she knows it is wrong, then she could not be excommunicated. If a priest thinks that he has to violate the secrecy of the confessional, then he can't be punished. The Church could not excommunicate any heretic or schismatic, regardless of how much scandal that person caused.

Err, no. Canon 1324 stipulates that the state of necessity cannot be invoked if "the act is intrinsically evil or verges on harm to souls." There go your hypotheticals. Keep trying, though.

Your logic and your understanding of canon law are seriously flawed.

Let's hear your logical analysis of the situation based on your understanding of Canon Law.
94 posted on 06/16/2006 1:30:39 PM PDT by Slugworth
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