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To: astoundedlib

>> Okay so you are still stuck with the ideas that i am liberal? <<

I did read your post. I was suggesting why you come across as a liberal, in spite of your assertion that you are not one: You repeat their baseless assertions.

>> What is so wrong in what i am saying? <<

What is wrong is that the specific accusations that Dan Brown has made are totally false. You have believed the liberal/anti-Catholic/anti-Christian lies. We can argue whether the 30-years War or the Crusades were just wars or not. And, just as liberals do now, partisans will exaggerate the evils of those wars to defame the decision to fight them. But the Catholic Church simply never did the outrageous things Brown has accused them of, and which you conceded to Brown as if they were factual; they go far beyond the worst slanders and contestable claims of the Protestant schismatic partisans, and invent whole new slanders from nothing, which slander Protestants as surely as they slander Catholics.

>> And if i persist on my good afternoon and best regards, it is because we are over the Internet and to me this just seems like a discussion like any other...there is no hate or rudeness in my post such as what you claimed, you only see it that way ...you seem to think i am the devil!!! <<

You disparage and slander our faith, repeating the most baseless, heinious, vicious lies, not out of malice, but willful ignorance. If you do not hold the hatred which Dan Brown evinces, then why do persist in repeating his lies?

>> You know i have belief too and i went through an educational system, and i can/am wrong in my posts, so no need to jump on your horse and scream names like these! Just tell me where i am wrong and that will be it! <<

I did. I even struck a conciliatory tone. And you disregarded me. I did call your claim "hateful, rude, ignorant," etc., because it is. If you do not mean to be those things, then I implore you to take more care.

If you have heard such claims before, and wish to hear what refutations exist, then by all means, ask someone! There are certainly some of us who would be very willing to explain the truth to you. But don't state such injurious and slanderous things as fact, just to find out our responses. Just ask.

My response to you was very strongly worded, and deliberately so, because the issue was that serious. Please note, I called your assertions "hateful," "rude," and "ignorant." Because they are. But please note, that I did not presume you to be hateful, rude or ignorant, in general. A hateful, rude and ignorant person does not intend to "make friends and influence" those he bears such hatred for. Rather, I warn you of the nature of the things you say because I presume that they are not true reflections of you. Because I presume you do not mean to be as offensive as you were being, I point out to you why what you say is so offensive.

I sense you concede such wickedness to the lies of Brown because you intend to be fair and even-handed. There is nothing fair about being even-handed between truth and goodness on one hand, and evil and lies on the other. Again, if you do not know the truth, ask, and we will tell you to the best of our own ability.

Be at peace (and that is not a mere politeness).


59 posted on 05/21/2006 3:43:31 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
" did read your post. I was suggesting why you come across as a liberal, in spite of your assertion that you are not one: You repeat their baseless assertions. "

As for that, yes i have a viewpoint that spread wider than just conservatism...The problem with america's politic? Too divided...Not able to recognize the truth if another political party tells it... But that's not the point, just consider me in no political scheme...

"You have believed the liberal/anti-Catholic/anti-Christian lies"

Haha! No i believe in what i read from books, from science, not from the church...Historical facts are facts... And by the way i never conceded anything about brown!! Again i never even read the da vinci code!!! I just think it is childish to bash a movie based on fiction! You don't seem to realize that Dan Brown is simply a marketing genius! Most people understood and will see his movie as a pure entertainment! Bashing on the movie only gives credibility to it, as if we had something to fear about it! That was my point...


"You disparage and slander our faith, repeating the most baseless, heinous, vicious lies, not out of malice, but willful ignorance. If you do not hold the hatred which Dan Brown evinces, then why do persist in repeating his lies?"

which lies! which heinous statement? I asked question in the first place and it turned out in a hysteric debate over the fact that I am liberal or i am the devil! Gees calm down!

Anyways, this leads nowhere... You guys have done what you shouldn't and it is to spread the words about the movie...Now because of all that fuss you made about it, people are more interested and atheist will start to thing there is some truth in the novel or the movie as they see the church fears it...You guys are no better than Muslims, you are extremists of the church, you can't take the fact that somebody criticize the church without screaming and invoking the devil...This sounds like brainwashing to me! There is no such thing as the church...Only pure love exist, maybe you will find out someday...

Bless you ( and that is not a mere politeness neither, i really do mean it regardless of what i have written above)
60 posted on 05/23/2006 9:08:48 AM PDT by astoundedlib
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