Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: DelphiUser; Grig; restornu; colorcountry
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 43: 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

Isaiah 43: 12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.


So, he was talking about being the only "Savior" available. I ,of course, agree with the scripture, just not your interpretation of it. I say this is debatable, because we are indeed debating it. What say you?

Let me guess, “You are wrong, you will go to hell for your misinterpretation of the Bible, and your belief in other scripture” Yawn, Been there done that.


I say that the passage clearly speaks of the One and Only God ... and the One and Only Saviour.

I say that this is confirmed in other places in scripture.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
I say that the belief that there is more than one Eternal God is wrong ... and that it cannot be supported from Bible scripture.

718 posted on 05/14/2006 8:05:04 PM PDT by Quester
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 707 | View Replies ]


To: DelphiUser; Grig; Utah Girl; Quester
Several Book of Mormon passages (2 Nephi 31:21; Alma 11:44; 3 Nephi 11:27; Mormon 7:7), teach that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are but one God. Doesn't this contradict the Church's teachings that the members of the Godhead are separate beings.

The oneness of the members of the Godhead is not intended to imply that there are not three separate persons.

In the Bible, too, Jesus declared, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30) and "I am in the Father, and the Father in me" (John 14:10).

That oneness of being was not intended is indicated in his intercessory prayer, when, speaking of his apostles, he prayed "that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us . . . I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one" (John 17:20-23).

Clearly, Christ did not intend that his disciples should become physically one and merge with the Godhead.

Rather, he envisioned the unity of the Church seen by Paul when he spoke of "edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith" (Ephesians 4:12-13; cf. 2:19-22).

Similarly, in the Book of Mormon, though Christ declared his oneness with the Father (3 Nephi 11:27, 36; 20:35; 28:10), he made it clear that he was teaching what the Father had given him (3 Nephi 11:32; 12:19; 18:4) and declared his intention to ascend to his Father (3 Nephi 15:1; 17:4; 18:27, 35; cf. 26:15; 27:26; 28:1, 4).

He also spoke of having received commandments from his Father (3 Nephi 15:14-19; 16:3, 16; 17:2; 20:10, 14, 46; 26:1) and prayed to the Father (3 Nephi 17:14-18, 21; 18:24; 19:19-35). His statement that the Father had sent him (3 Nephi 27:13-14) clearly shows that they were separate individuals.

Christ made similar declarations to his Old World disciples, as recorded in the New Testament. He not only prayed to the Father (for example, John 11:41-42; 17) but he said, "my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28), and indicated that the Father loved him and gave him commandments (John 10:17-18), stating also that the Father had knowledge that he did not possess (Mark 13:32).

That the Father and the Son are separate individuals is also indicated by the fact that Jesus had to "ascend" after his resurrection to be with his Father (John 20:17).

720 posted on 05/14/2006 8:19:53 PM PDT by restornu ("I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves." ~ Joseph Smith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 718 | View Replies ]

To: Quester; restornu

>> I say that the passage clearly speaks of the One and Only God ... and the One and Only Saviour.

GEAT! The Spirit, and my intellect say differently, but it’s fun discussing our different perceptions of reality and the scriptures.

This “I say…” that you wind up in when you only have the bible is precisely why we need more scripture. (Thanks for illustrating). That’s why I can and have come up with many scriptures supporting my position.

I say you are wrong in your interpretations. I also believe you to be a sincere if deluded individual. It is interesting that those on the other side of this discussion will not afford us the same latitude, instead we are vilified, misrepresented, and painted as black and vile deceivers, who trick people into our church by half truths, “Lying for the Lord” and many other contemptible accusations.

I say you didn’t make much of an argument with your post. You may say differently, nice collection of scriptures, too bad you didn’t use them better.


721 posted on 05/14/2006 8:20:08 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 718 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson