Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu
One way to understand authority & submission (the two ends of lordship) is to first look @ it through the eyes of marriage.
Christ submitted to death & more on our behalf. Likewise, Eph. 5:25 says husbands should submit to ultimate sacrifices on behalf of wives. It's a form of submission. Eph. 5 talks about mutual submission in a husband-wife relationship (Eph. 5:24ff). Submission is not the negative concept feminists have made it out to be; it's a divine practice within God, Himself. Jesus on his knees washing the disciples' feet was not the first time He submitted; it's what He's done from eternity. As Lord, He didn't grasp after authority, even though He had the "right" to do so. He waited until He was granted the exercise of all of it. (Matt 28:18-20).
Lastly, you can't understand this concept unless you grasp something of Philippians 2:6-7: "Who, being in the very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness..."
There was a 4/25/06 thread on the LDS Church posted by Utah Girl. On post #53, I responded to a comment by Utah Girl, who wrote:
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have worked hard to pass initiatives across America to preserve marriage to be between a man and a woman. We have worked in conjunction with our friends and neighbors and with other faiths who have the goal: to preserve traditional marriage.
My response to Utah Girl was: This is a true statement. I know LDS were prominent in helping to pass Prop 22 in California. So it is good that LDS have been willing, from their leadership on down, to be on the forefront of this issue. It is indeed commendable.
I have to ask you....
Why in the world do you continue to spark debate on this subject....And then wonder why you are getting fires?
The apostle Paul had three priorities worth emulating:
(1) He followed up on previous churches he started (hence the NT epistles).
(2) He desired to go where the gospel had not been preached (Rom. 15:20).
(3) Paul hung out where the religious folks were. In fact, he made it a priority whenever he arrived in a new area: "As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures..." (Acts 17:2...see also Acts 19:8). Apollos did the same thing, speaking boldly where the religious people were (the synagogue)--see Acts 18:24-28. Apollos "vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures..." (Acts 18:28).
If unsaved Jews were hanging out @ the synagogue, Paul prioritized that as a good location to go. If unsaved religious folks are hanging out at different posts today, we can be like Paul and go where they are.
The title of this thread is Book of Mormon Challenge which no one is interested in discussing...
or staying on topics
It always wants to go to more shock jock methods...
There are more here the same old hostile X-ers and it is the way things work
2 Nephi 2
11 For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my first-born in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility.
12 Wherefore, it must needs have been created for a thing of naught; wherefore there would have been no purpose in the end of its creation. Wherefore, this thing must needs destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes, and also the power, and the mercy, and the justice of God.
So, you're telling me that when "anyone says to you, 'Look here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!'" (Matt 24:23), we are to believe that, 'cause there's only one Christ? Sorry, you flunked the Matt 24 test:
"do not believe it," says Jesus, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear..." (Matt 24:23-24).
Paul talks about "another" Jesus in Gal. 1:8.
How can your Jesus, who did not Create anything out of nothing, be my Jesus, the creator of all things and all beings?
How can your Jesus, who is the spirit brother of Lucipher, be my Jesus, who created Lucipher?
How can your Jesus, whose blood was so anemic that not only is Calvary almost irrelevant (LDS' belief that Jesus atoned for sin by sweating blood in Garden) but that it paid only for Adam's sin but not for your personal sin or my personal sin...be compared to the all-purifying nature of Christ's blood on the cross--a cross strangely missing from the LDS facilities' landscape?
How can your Jesus, one most LDS say they don't even pray to, be compared to my Jesus who loves to hear me pray [I mean, even the Nephite disciples prayed to Jesus!!!].
How can your Jesus, who LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie told BYU students @ a devotional in the 1980s that they should not seek a special personal relationship with, be compared to my Jesus who said the very nature of eternal life was defined by knowing Him (John 17:3)?
Let's face it. Don't make me dig up the quote. But even Ensign Magazine years ago said that the Christian church "worships a different Jesus" than LDS do.
I'm sorry. But you can't claim special revelations coming down from on high in Ensign magazine, only for other Ensign mag comments to be totally disregarded by you.
LDS are the ones who make the huge deal out of having a priesthood. And this is because LDS authority is perceived to be so wrapped up in it. Therefore, the laying on of hands is indeed huge in Utah & the LDS concentric circle. The rite of passing on authority is LDS' own construction, so don't tell me that I'm making a spurious argument when so much rides on that for LDS.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard an LDS missionary talk with pride about his priesthood authority, and either in subtle or more open ways point out that he perceives a vacuum of authority within "Christendom."
I mean, just look, for example, at how many times in this thread alone you bring up the question of how/where we're authorized to several posters. It's even in your blood!
The chain of authority within the LDS is huge. How dare you make light of it or downplay it.
Wow! Maybe you should don a white shirt & tie and go door to door trying this track record of this winsome style you've got. Let's see, you labeled me as a "bitter, twisted individual" in a previous thread--having set eyes on just a few postings of mine (I believe it was the very first thread you commented on that I had done as well) and now this comment toward ColorCountry?
You can call it, "BTV evangelism" [BTV for "Bitter-Twisted-Vindictive") and just go 'round spittin' labels on folks and wow! just watch 'em warm up all cozy to ya. How do ya do it?
Yeah, we all know that used car salesmen are the perfect 100% trusted sources of information on the cars they sell! Go to them and never mind consumer mags weighing different autos, never mind bringing your own mechanic in to evaluate a car.
But the D&C says the BoM contains "the fullness of the everlasting gospel." Therefore, whatever 2/3rds is missing, it's of secondary importance.
So, why are some of the most important LDS doctrines, if indeed they are part of the LDS gospel, not to be found in the BoM? Why are they only found in the D&C? (I thought the BoM, and not the D&C, is the fullness of the everlasting gospel)?
The book I was refering to is The History of the Church by Joseph Smith. Not the other book mentioned by the other two guys Queer and Win or whatever it was. I am smart enough to know the Church didn't condone a book written by a homosexual. < smile - that was fun!>
I put a link with my source but I know if you visit it you will melt. :-)
Gosh it is nice to have a little funnin' on these threads.
2/3's haven't been published or haven't been "revealed"??
For an X-er you know little about this faith?
The Book of Mormon had all we need to be baptized the correct ordinance that was the whole mission of Moroni to prepare the way for those special documents to be restored upon the earth!
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are:
first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ;
second, Repentance;
third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins;
fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Rev. 14
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Are promise to come forth in the Lord time!
Some speculation it will come from the polynesian...
Who knows??
At least, I'm the real deal. I'm no egg substitute.
But I think you're onto something. If I were you, I'd approach the Egg substitute product industry with a marvelous marketing method. You could say to them:
"See, all we have to do is for us to proclaim that we have the True 'Restored' egg."
We'll call it "Hatched-Again" theology, all hatched up & patched together according to the gold plates I found in my backyard garden.
Then, for added punch, we would call all of the true confessors and professors within the "real" egg industry "cracked, corrupt eggs." And to top it all off, we would only have to say that all of the policies and procedures adopted by the egg industry was an "abomination" to the sources of those eggs.
What d'yya say?
Why the Polynesians? Did Jesus visit Polynesia also?
Did Jesus visit Polynesia also?
not that I know of
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It could be another Book of Mormon family that also have records who move elsewhere "Spectulation!"
But then again, it could just be Bali Hu
Those political clergy of Constantine debated and decided the nature of the Godhead Nicene Creed, which scripture were less offensive to the function world government were NOT part of Lord annoited Priesthood!
The scriptures (though not yet collected into one volume) were already determined at this point, ... the church had been using them for centuries.
There are various accounts of what happen how manuscripts are selected for it was done by non priesthood holders!
So we have no clue what was excluded
Accept heresay!
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