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To: HarleyD; PetroniusMaximus
Faith, then, as well in its beginning as in its completion, is God's gift; and let no one have any doubt whatever, unless he desires to resist the plainest sacred writings, that this gift is given to some, while to some it is not given. - Augustine, A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints

Do you or the Catholic Church as it now stands believe Augustine's statement-that faith is only given as a gift to a few?

He didn't say that it was "only given as a gift to a few"; he just said that it wasn't given to everyone.

It's self-evident that not everyone receives the gift of faith, because not everyone has it.

We would differ with St. Augustine, in that we would hold that sufficient grace for salvation is offered to all men (but not always equally, and those who are reprobated are those who choose to resist it). Of course grace precedes faith and inspires it.

Do you now agree with Augustine's statement in the same work you quote that the OT Book of Wisdom is canonical scripture? ;-)

153 posted on 04/21/2006 11:14:34 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion; PetroniusMaximus
We would differ with St. Augustine...

Wow!!! You're the first Catholic that told me that!!! You're not far from Orthodox now.... :O)

Do you now agree with Augustine's statement in the same work you quote that the OT Book of Wisdom is canonical scripture? ;-)

No. The early church fathers didn't agree that it was canonical. ;O)

206 posted on 04/21/2006 4:41:06 PM PDT by HarleyD ("...even the one whom He will choose, He will bring near Himself." Num 16:5)
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