Posted on 04/08/2006 7:12:48 AM PDT by DouglasKC
Amazing to behold, isn't it?
Let me make it as simple as possible for you to understand. Has the New Covenant made the Old Covenant obsolute? (Heb 8:13) Surely you are capable of a simple yes or no answer.
Headache city for me.....most of the time.
Yes, that's what scripture says. Now let me ask you a question: With whom is the NEW covenant made. I'll give you a big hint:
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Here's another hint:
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
"But the celebration of Easter was celebrated since the first century. "
Absolutely correct!!
The disciples of the apostle John celebrated Easter on the anniversary date of the resurrection regardless of which day of the week it fell on.
The disciples of Peter celebrated Easter according to yearly date of passover, and Easter always fell on a sunday.
This happened from the very beginning and a CONFLICT arose between the 2 camps as to how the Church as a whole would celebrate such an important holy day in uniformity.
And THAT was the matter that wasn't settled until much later.
People who read the writings of the early christians and read actual history don't fall for this garbage.
Sorry the God's word gives you a headache although I can understand how it does. It has been giving headaches to those who try to twist it for almost 2,000 years. Maybe a dose of Acts 15:22-29 will help you to get your head in better shape.
Some encouraging verses my friend:
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Good, we are making some progress here. Did the New Covenant include the Gentiles or just those of the Nation of Israel?
That is a very good reference and I believe and practice every word of it.
Well my good friend....I must admit that I wasn't always a Christian. In fact I was lost sinner in my youth...one of the greatest of sinners. Everyday I ponder my past sins and reflect on the one who is now my advocate, having paid the price for me.
I guess it really doesn't matter who among us has been saved the longest....so I'll just leave it there.
You are right. Time does not matter. But when you post that I need to follow God's word I take strong exception. You don't know me or what I believe. I have done nothing but post scripture and you say that gives you a headache. Theat would fall under the heading of "your problem," not mine. God's word has never given me a headache.
Wow, you're just bound and determined to turn God into a liar here, aren't you?
Let me explain exactly who this "never covenant" is with:
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Here:
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Gentiles ARE strangers from the covenant of promise. They are aliens from the commonwealth (citizenship) of Israel.
Through Christ, gentiles BECOME part of the house of Israel, part of the household of God. If they are NOT then they cannot be part of the new testament. It's right there in black, white and red. If you find yourself arguing against what it says in God's word, then you should be asking yourself where and when you were led into error.
Sorry, should have read "new covenant" is with...
Nor me either....only you.
When I said "Go with God...", I was being facetious. I'm sorry you were offended.
It is not God's word that I argue against, just those who would distort it. You once again chose to stop reading before you got to the verses that exposes your error. Read Eph 2:13-16. You chose to post the condition of the Gentiles prior to the blood of Christ. Vs 13ff explains their present relationship with God. You need to learn to read the entire context before cherry-picking your verses.
Your apology is greatfully accepted. I am sure that neither of us has a perfect understanding of God's word. But I can assure you that I came to mine as a result of my own study, not the writings of any man separate and apart from the Bible. By the way, I was on the street from the age of 14 until I joined the navy at 18. I strongly imagine that I can match your sins and raise you a couple.
Why do you continue to maintain an impossible illusion? Why do you want to construct some elaborate thought process and circumvent scripture?
Yes or no: Does the bible say that the new covenant is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah? It's an open book question. Reference Hebrews 8:8 and Jeramiah 31:31.
I'll give you the answer. Of course it does. Now what is the "house of Israel"? It's composed of former gentiles AND physical descendents of the patriarch, Israel. "House of Israel" is another way of saying "family of Israel".
You may not be a physical descendent of Israel, but you are certainly a child of Israel.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
I can't believe I have to go through all this just to prove to you that yes, you ARE a son (or daughter) of Israel.
It didn't take you long to back off your assertion of the meaning of Eph 2. Now you run to another passage. Let me point you to one that may solve your problem and help your understanding. Read Gal3:26-29.
In Paul's day there were people like you who were trying to bind the Law of Moses on Christians. The Law of Moses is obsolete. You finally admitted that. Now try to understand that all men fall under the perfect law of liberty in Christ Jesus whether we be Jew or Gentile.
You are welcome to refer to yourself in any way and by any name you choose. As for me, I am a Christian, nothing more, nothing less.
I didn't "back off" anything. The rest of Ephesians backs up what the rest of the bible says. You're just throwing up more smoke screens so you can continue to be comfortable in the corner you're painted into. The bible says clearly and absolutely that the new covenant is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. There's no getting around that. Instead of accepting it, you hurl out accusations, sidestep the issue, and try to explain it away.
Now you run to another passage. Let me point you to one that may solve your problem and help your understanding. Read Gal3:26-29.
Amazing.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Abrahams seed. Which was the house of Israel. What Paul is saying, once again, is that you are a member of the house of Israel IF you are a Christian. You are a child of Israel and heir to the promise of eternal life made through the new covenant. You HAVE to be a member of the house of Israel to be part of the new covenant. You are a child of Israel.
Are you really not getting this???
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