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I am an EX-charismatic-fundamentalist-bapist-xian
Desiree

Posted on 04/06/2006 7:50:06 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant

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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Thank you for Giving up Yeshua haMaschiach.
He is no longer your messiah.
That was very clear in your article.

Or have you?
Is Yeshua fulfillment of the Tanach? Or are you now looking for someone else? Yeshua is and always will be Jewish.
Yeshua was never a Christian!
21 posted on 04/07/2006 7:10:42 AM PDT by Rhadaghast (Yeshua haMashiach hu Adonai Tsidkenu)
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To: Doctor Raoul

No KIDDING, ping for later deleting. What a bunch of tripe!! And for us poor deluded Christians, nice to finally have someone who knows so much more to help us along...


22 posted on 04/07/2006 8:16:31 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Steve in Vista
And your point is exactly what? Jesus has always been jewish. To say that the name Christ is synonymous with Christian is rediculous.

But if the author of this article is not joined with Jesus and his sacrifice then his railing against Christianity means a total different thing. Are you saying that this referance in Peter's letter means Christ and Christian is the same?
24 posted on 04/07/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Rhadaghast (Yeshua haMashiach hu Adonai Tsidkenu)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Sorry, Desiree but anyone who begins a criticism of Christianity by using the term "xtians" is not worth my time.


26 posted on 04/07/2006 8:42:12 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Zionist Conspirator; marbren

Strange article here — can you guys make head or tales of it?


27 posted on 09/09/2011 5:08:22 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: XeniaSt
Strange article here -- can you guys make head or tales of it?

I hope I have given you a little understanding of one of the reasons behind the frantic and urgent need to evangelize the Jewish people and assimilate them into Christianity. The leaders are the people who are actively encouraging the missionaries

28 posted on 09/09/2011 5:09:26 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
IMHO Obviously The Lord Jesus Christ is not Lord in this perspective. It is error. To me this is one result of replacement theology. In my perspective I see two groups today gentile Christians and Jewish Christians that are one in Christ. We gentiles love Easter and Christmas and that is OK. We have this liberty. Jewish Christians still observe the feasts as they are fulfilled in Christ. We should embrace Jewish Christians and learn from them. Acts 15 is where the differences were noted in scripture. I think Peter celebrated the Jewish feasts.
29 posted on 09/09/2011 6:08:44 AM PDT by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: marbren
We gentiles love Easter and Christmas and that is OK

Well said.

30 posted on 09/09/2011 6:18:37 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: marbren
We should embrace Jewish Christians and learn from them.

yet that term can encompass many from those who believe that Christ is God and also keep the Mosaic laws to those who say He was just a prophet. What of the latter?

31 posted on 09/09/2011 6:20:15 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Apart from Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark, Moses in the bulrushes, the Exodus and Psalm23, the average Christian knows very little.

That's not true.

32 posted on 09/09/2011 6:29:33 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
Christ is God and also keep the Mosaic laws to those who say He was just a prophet. What of the latter?

IMHO I know we see through a glass darkly. People are all over the place in their relationship to Christ. I from my Lutheran background am a God's grace advocate. Legalism exists. IE works righteousness.

IMHO We Lutherans do a great job with justification but lousy on sanctification. Cheap grace sets in easily. I am on a recent new idea of loving people for who they are and let them and the Holy Spirit do the work of fixing any errors. I do not have the power to change anyone. Now getting real Lutheran here, I have no power to change myself. My flesh is absolutely corrupt. This is a mystery to me.

For instance when I post my end times ideas on facebook I love it and chuckle when my 2 daughters say "Dad Stop posting that crazy stuff!" I also love that they want me to be their facebook friend. :)

33 posted on 09/09/2011 6:36:33 AM PDT by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Who is Isaiah talking about in Isaiah chapter 53:6?

All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

How about Zechariah 12:10?

And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Like Jesus, Paul, all of the apostles and all of the first disciples, no one needs the New Testament to show that Jesus is the Messiah. He is risen. He’s alive. He is coming again just as prophesied in Zechariah 14:

1 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.
6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light; The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day Which is known to the Lord— Neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light.
8 And in that day it shall be That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem, Half of them toward the eastern sea And half of them toward the western sea; In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be “The Lord is one,” And His name one.
10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
11 The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
13 It shall come to pass in that day That a great panic from the Lord will be among them. Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor, And raise his hand against his neighbor’s hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem. And the wealth of all the surrounding nations Shall be gathered together: Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.
15 Such also shall be the plague: On the horse and the mule, On the camel and the donkey, And on all the cattle that will be in those camps. So shall this plague be.
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE Lord” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Although the historical church has not always understood our debt to the Jewish people - more and more are coming to the knowledge that we have been “grafted in.”

May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob help you in your quest for truth.


34 posted on 09/09/2011 7:08:57 AM PDT by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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To: Cronos
Strange article here -- can you guys make head or tales of it?

Written by someone who has been swept away
by an "anti-missionary" Rabbi.

It is full of glaring errors e.g.
it claims Benny Hinn was a Jew.

Benny Hinn was born in Jaffa, Israel,
but raised as a Eastern Orthodox Christian.

There are artifacts in the article which point
to it having been created on a non-American Word Processor

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
35 posted on 09/09/2011 8:35:03 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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