[kcvl]

Reverend Forest Church, the son of Idaho’s late Senator Frank Church

Dr. Church is also a member of the Executive Board at the Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt Institute and serves on the Board of Bridges toward Justice, dedicated to strengthening the Chinese criminal justice system. Mayor Giuliani appointed him Chairman of the Council on the Environment of New York City in 1995. Serving in his tenth year as chair, he directs, among other programs, 32 green markets in the city.

He is married to Carolyn Buck Luce and has four children, Frank (26), Nina (24), Jacob (21), and Nathan (19).

Carolyn Buck Luce is a well-known figure in the financial world. A senior partner at Ernst & Young, one of the world’s major financial and consulting firms, she has many demands in her professional life. With graceful aplomb, she combines them with a busy family life and a dizzying array of board positions. Many of the boards relate to the concerns of the working professional woman. At All Souls, Carolyn is known as Carolyn Church, the wife of Forest Church.

Carolyn is a Senior Partner at Ernst & Young in the Global Accounts Group and is a member of the Partner’s Advisory Council to the Board. She is also a member of the firm’s Investment Advisory Board. Currently, she specializes in advising multi-national pharmaceutical companies such as Bristol Myers Squibb and Pfizer. Before that, she headed Ernst &Young’s e-commerce consulting program.

She is also a member of the Foreign Policy Association. “I have increasing interest in politics,” she said. “I raised money for the Kerry campaign and hope to do more fund-raising for the Democratic Party in the future. I am treasurer of several boards.” Carolyn is a frequent speaker at professional conferences and served recently as Ernst & Young’s delegate to the Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

[69ConvertibleFirebird]

There Is No Hell

Try living with Hillary for a short while. Hell. Need I say more?...

[PetroniusMaximus]

"There Is No Hell"


Add that to the list of "Famous Last Words".

[Quix]

Christ and Scripture talked rather much about hell and satan.

God gave man the capacity to disagree.

Disagreement with THE BOSS is not advised.

[Salvation]

Oh, yes there is!

[Iscool]

I suspect some folks chose not to believe in Hell because if they did, they'd have to admit they have family and friends there...

If there's no Hell, we didn't need Jesus to be our sacrifice to stay out of it...

[Gumdrop]

Her certainly is not a Christian. Otherwise we would have no need of a Redeemer!

[Gumdrop]

He certainly is not a Christian. Otherwise we would have no need of a Redeemer!

[JohnCliftn]

There's Paris, France.

[servantboy777]

The difference between Universalists and Unitarians (the old joke has it) is that Universalists believe that God is too good to damn them, whereas Unitarians believe that they’re too good to be damned. I am a Universalist.

Not sure I'd want to test God if it were me, but hey, who am I but a Christian. Good Luck!

[onedoug]

"If I knew God I'd be Him."

[Conservative til I die]

A Universalist lecturing others about Christian doctrine. Pretty amusing.

[whispering out loud]

God sends no one to hell, we are all on our way, He has just extended a hand to rescue us, those of us who hold onto His hand he pulls us up out of our current state, but those who refuse Him, damn themselves to hell.

[Toby06]

There Is No Hell

Marry my ex and you will never make that statement again.

[tet68]

No hell eh?

Just wait till Hillery! is elected.

[DouglasKC]

There are three terms translated "hell" in the new testament of the King James version of the bible. These three terms are:

gehenna - Gehenna refers to a valley just outside Jerusalem. The word is derived from the Hebrew Ge-Hinnom, the valley of Hinnom (Joshua 18:16). At the time of Jesus this valley was what we might call the city dump—the place where garbage, trash and refuse were thrown and consumed in the fires that constantly burned there. The carcasses of dead animals—and the bodies of despised criminals—were also cast into Gehenna to be burned. Jesus used this particular location and what took place there to help us understand the fate the wicked and unrepentant will suffer in the future. (from "Heaven and Hell")

Jesus uses this term here:

Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

This term is used in Mat_5:22, Mat_5:29-30 (2), Mat_10:28, Mat_18:9, Mat_23:15, Mat_23:33, Mar_9:43, Mar_9:45, Mar_9:47, Jam_3:5-6

tartaroo - used only once in the Bible (2 Peter 2:4), where it refers to the place where the fallen angels, or demons, are restrained awaiting their judgment. The Expository Dictionary of Bible Words explains that tartaroo means "to confine in tartaros" and that "Tartaros was the Greek name for the mythological abyss where rebellious gods were confined" (Lawrence Richards, 1985, "Heaven and Hell"). Peter used this reference to contemporary mythology to show that the sinning angels were "delivered ... into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment." Fallen angels are in a condition or place of restraint awaiting their ultimate judgment for their rebellion against God and destructive influence on humanity. Tartaroo applies only to demons. Nowhere does it refer to a fiery hell in which people are punished after death.

hades - "The Greek word Hades ... is sometimes, but misleadingly, translated 'hell' in English versions of the N[ew] T[estament]. It refers to the place of the dead ... The old Hebrew concept of the place of the dead, most often called Sheol ... is usually translated as Hades, and the Greek term was naturally and commonly used by Jews writing in Greek" (1992, Vol. 3, p. 14, "Hades, Hell").

Both sheol and hades refer to the grave. A comparison of an Old Testament and a New Testament scripture confirm this. Psalm 16:10 says, "For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption." In Acts 2:27 the apostle Peter quotes this verse and shows that it is a reference to Christ. Here the Greek word hades is substituted for the Hebrew sheol.

Where did Christ go when He died? He went to the grave. His body was placed in a tomb belonging to Joseph of Arimathea. The two passages, in Psalms and Acts, tell us Jesus' flesh did not decay in the grave because God resurrected Him.

The majority of scriptures that use the term hell are simply talking about the grave, the place where everyone, whether good or evil, goes at death. The Hebrew word sheol is used in the Old Testament 65 times. In the King James Version it is translated "grave" 31 times, "hell" 31 times and "pit" three times. (from "Heaven and Hell")

In addition, there is the "lake of fire":

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The lake of fire is what Christ was referring to when he used the term "gehenna". Wicked people who refuse to accept Christ will surely go there, but they will burn up and die. That's why it's called "the second death".

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (gehhena).

Note that Jesus Christ says that soul and body will be destroyed in Gehenna. So I would disagree that there is no hell, but would agree that people are not tortured eternally.

[NRA2BFree]

Only fools would argue with what God's Word says. The Bible says there is a Hell, and when the Bible says something, there is NO room for dispute. End of story!

[A.J.Armitage]

Jesus was anything but a biblical literalist. He teaches by parable, not by citing chapter and verse

They didn't have chapters and verses yet. They cited Scripture by incipit, which Jesus did all the time.

[william clark]

"There Is No Hell"

Obviously, you've never tried to drive to someplace in Beverly Hills where you've never been before during lunch hour.

[skr]

Satan is a former resident of Heaven. I doubt he wants to go back unless he gets to be in charge. By the way, Reverend, Satan is the father of all lies. You've bought the one about forgiveness without repentance, as well as recognition from God without recognition for Him. He is pretty clear about all of this in His Letter to us. Have you read it lately, Reverend?