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To: tenn2005
Matthew 13:
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Jude: 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence therefore hath he all these things?

Mark 6

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? are not also his sisters here with us? And they were scandalized in regard of him.
Matthew 27
55 And there were there many women afar off, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: 56 Among whom was Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

John 19

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen.

Mark 15

40 And there were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joseph, and Salome:

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47 And Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of Joseph, beheld where he was laid.

Matthew 13 and Mark 6 refer to James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude as "brothers" of Jesus, plus some unnamed sisters. Matthew 27 refers to a woman called Mary, "the mother of James and Joseph". That woman is clearly not Mary the mother of Jesus because in that sentence her relation to Jesus is given as "followed Him" and her cons are also mentioned, Jesus not among them. In John 19 three women are described, all three Marys: Mary Our Lady, Mary of Cleopas, and Mary Magdalene. Mark 15 describes them also, but it identifies Mary as mother of James the less and of Joseph, and Salome. Again, it would not be Mary the mother of Jesus because even though she is described observing Jesus's death and burial, she is identified as mother of three other men. The only reasonable reading of this all is that Mary Cleopas is mother of James, Joseph, Simon, Jude, and Salome, mentioned in all these verses.

To read it differently you will have to assume that Mary the mother of Jesus was a mother of James, Joseph, Simon, Jude, and an unnamed sister; and Mary Cleopas was a mother of James, Joseph, and Salome and a direct sister of Mary the mother of Jesus. In other words Jesus had a mother and an aunt called Mary, a brother and a cousin both called Joseph, and a brother and a cousing both called James.

All this was explained to you in 252 and subsequent verses ten days ago.

350 posted on 03/31/2006 3:14:13 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

None of these scriptures condradict one another.

Matthew 27 refers to a woman called Mary, "the mother of James and Joseph".

Mary was a very common name in Bible times. Why do you have a problem believing that this woman had two sons who also had very common Bible names.

"To read it differently you will have to assume that Mary the mother of Jesus was a mother of James, Joseph, Simon, Jude, and an unnamed sister; and Mary Cleopas was a mother of James, Joseph, and Salome and a direct sister of Mary the mother of Jesus. In other words Jesus had a mother and an aunt called Mary, a brother and a cousin both called Joseph, and a brother and a cousing both called James."

You have finally figured it out. That is exactly what I believe because that is what the Bible teaches. Why does this give you such a problem? You did get some points wrong but they were minor. What took you so long to come to the truth?

Oh, I forgot. This would disprove the false doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary and for a Catholic, doctrine always trumps scripture.



351 posted on 03/31/2006 3:26:05 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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