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To: Diego1618

If you will read John chapters 14 to 17 with an open mind you will find that Jesus speaks of Himself, God, and the Holy Spirit as three distinct intities. Notice specifically the following verses.

14:16 Jesus will pray to God and God will send the apostles another helper.
14:17 That other helper will be the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit)
14:25 Jesus had taught them some things while present with them.
14:26 But the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send will teach them all things.
14:28 Jesus is going back to the Father who is "greater than Jesus."
16:7 If Jesus does not "go away", the Holy Sprit will not "Come."
16:12 Jesus still has much to teach them, but they were not yet ready to hear those things.
16:13 They will be taught those additional things at a later date by the Holy Spirit.

The record shows that Jesus kept his word and sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Apostles. (Acts 2:1-4)

The entirety of Hebrews, chapter 1, sets Jesus up as an intity searate and apart from the Father. John 3:16 makes this distinction very clear also.

Notice also Acts 7:55-56 Stephen, while being stoned, being filled with the "Holy Spirit", looked up and saw the heavens opened and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Here we see the Holy Spirit, Jesus and God at the same time in different locations and as separate entities.

The same is true following the baptism of Jesus. (Matt 3:16-17) Jesus is coming out of the water, the Holy Spirit is descending in the form of a dove, and God is Speaking from heaven. Again the three separate entities in three separate locations at the same time.

In I Cor 15:24-28 Paul shows the superior authority of God (the Father) over Jesus (the Son).

I could go on for page after page but it is very clear from scripture that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate and distinct entities always working in perfect harmony and purpose.


38 posted on 03/21/2006 8:44:20 PM PST by tenn2005 (Birth is merely an event; it is the path walked that becomes one's life.)
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To: tenn2005
one....not three
39 posted on 03/21/2006 9:03:01 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: tenn2005; whispering out loud; brwnsuga; Salvation; Diego1618; thinkinggal; Zuriel; ...
I could go on for page after page but it is very clear from scripture that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate and distinct entities always working in perfect harmony and purpose.

Paul said that there is one God and one mediator between men and God the MAN Christ Jesus;

God is not a man that he should lie nor the son of man that he should repent;

Jesus is repeatedly called the Son of Man to empahsize his humanity;

God is spirit and no man has seen God at any time; Jesus came in the flesh (in as entirely and wholely in) and was viisble;

God is the Father of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God; God did not die on the cross, Jesus did not resurrect himself nor did he raise himself to sit at his own right hand.

Look in Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

The Lord God is not three, but one!

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.

Anyone who claims that God is three is openly and blatantly defying scripture, the words of God and the words of Jesus.

Jesus had a separate will from God...not my will but thine be done...which also shows that he is not God.

Jesus is not God and God is not Jesus.

The Baalim was the satanic counterfeit of Jehova worship. It fooled Israel left and right. It was idolotry.

The scriptures expose it for what it was, but it was not so easily discerned by those there at the time, just as trinitarian doctrine fools many today.

Just the word trinity rules out monotheism. Three cannot be one. It is insanity to insist for it to be such.

Get a Youngs and do a word study of Baal and derivatieves. You'll see that he was the lord/master of many things.

Look at Jehova and you'll also see that God Almighty described His relationship with Israel by different names...Lord of Hosts, Lord of Peace, Lord that Provides, Lord that Heals, etc.

BUT THE LORD GOD IS ONE LORD, ONE GOD!!!

The Baalim was the satanic counterfeit and always uses the definate article "the" just as "the" trinity does.

And when one looks at how trinintarian doctrine ignores and twists scriptures and defies logic, it isn't hard to see that the baalim = the trinity.

When the Bible says "God" it means God. When is says "Jesus" it means Jesus.

They are two separate entities that share a purpose and to the extent that Jesus submits himself to God, they share a will.

Jesus so completely represented God to those with him that he was ablet to say that if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

Pretty simple concept; when I represent my employer, others don't need to see the Boss...I am sent to do his bidding and have his authority as long as I act in his will.

Did Jesus do God's will? Of course. God PLAINLY called Jesus his son and said he was well pleased with him. God is not Jesus; Jesus is not God.

Why would anyone discard about 50 clear verses that say that Jesus is the Son of God in order to find a handful of more difficult verses that seem to be ambiguous? This defies logic and proper principles of Biblical study; understand the clear and simple before tackling the difficult and challenging.

Is this enough for one posting?

45 posted on 03/22/2006 6:32:00 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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