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To: sanormal; dsmatuska; aomagrat; GipperCT; MarMema; crazykatz; don-o; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; ...
My fascination was why the Eastern Orthodox Churches would so quickly become agents of the same murderous Soviet regime that had slaughtered so many.

Did it ever occur to you that the Soviets may have eliminated all of their most determined opponents and tortured the rest into submission?

Whenever this topic comes up, invariably my opponent suggests that he/she would have gladly endured all of tortures that the Soviets inflicted on the Orthodox clergy many times over, and would have laughed in the Bolsheviks faces and dared them to do worse.

The reality is that not all of the Russian Orthodox clergy could manage to be as fearless and triumphant as their detractors imagine themselves to be, and they returned to minister their flocks as best they could until the time came that they could cast off the Communist yoke.

As to the idea that some clergy became "agents" of the Soviets, most of them were agents that the clergy were forced to accept under pain of death or torture (of course, their detractors would have laughed at such mere torment, brave and noble as they are) or by way of the Soviets holding their family members hostage (once again, the families of their detractors would have delighted in the torment visited upon them as a result of their family member's resistance).

It is a fact that all humans have their limits. As I have learned, it is also a fact that some humans believe their limits, though never tested to any such degree, would far exceed those displayed by these mere mortals.

27 posted on 03/20/2006 1:26:40 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Mazepa

A ping to post #27.


28 posted on 03/20/2006 1:28:48 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib; sanormal
My fascination was why the Eastern Orthodox Churches would so quickly become agents of the same murderous Soviet regime that had slaughtered so many.

Sanormal's comment above is ignorant almost to the point of blasphemy. Mr. Sanormal, I invite you to read this book

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096863480X/sr=8-3/qid=1142979556/ref=sr_1_3/102-0626012-1802531?%5Fencoding=UTF8

and then tell me that there were no Orthodox clergy who fought the great Satan of communsim.

34 posted on 03/21/2006 2:22:40 PM PST by OldCorps
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