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Where in the bible does it say that the gifts were only for that generation? It doesn't.

My bible says that these signs shall follow them that believe. See:

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Where does it say that the signs were only to evangilize the Jews? It doesn't.

Where does it say that tongues were only a sign unto the Jews? It doesn't.

1 Cor. 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

It doesn't. My bible says that tongues were a sign unto them that believe not. Not one word about them being a sign unto Jews only. That's because they are a sign to them that believe not. That would be ANYONE who does not believe.

I have not misinterpreted the scriptures. Nor have I twisted them nor have I taken them out of context. I have posted the scriptures exactly as they appear in my authorized King James Version Bible. I have not added words nor have I taken any away.

The fact is that tongues are a valid gift. And they are in use today. Don't believe it. That is your perogative. As for me, I believe that God's word is true.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

I am finished with this conversation. You have no idea what God has done for me in my life, or what He has done for my family. You have no idea the miracles that have taken place. To hear you say that what God has done is of satan , how He has healed me and those I care about, to hear you say that what God has done in my church that has brought many souls to Christ is of satan makes me very sad....for you. I know What God has done and I will give Him the praise for it.



101 posted on 03/16/2006 5:19:00 PM PST by hindsfeetnhighplaces
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To: hindsfeetnhighplaces
Where in the bible does it say that the gifts were only for that generation? It doesn't. My bible says that these signs shall follow them that believe. See: Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Boy, you guys sure love to pick and choose your verses now don't you.

Very about the next verse about picking up snakes and drinking poison?

How about laying hands on the sick and having them recover?

You got guys in your church that can do any of these things!

Those were sign gifts to prove the authority of those who were responsible for the New Testament church before the completion of the New Testament Canon.

Those gifts ended with the completion of that New Testament, with the ending of that first generation (90AD).

Where does it say that the signs were only to evangilize the Jews? It doesn't.

It says that the sign was for the Jew, since he required it. (1Cor.1:22).

Gentiles did not require a sign and responded to the words that were spoken to them (Acts.13, 28)

Where does it say that tongues were only a sign unto the Jews? It doesn't.

It says that the tongues were given for a sign and that is who requires it, the Jew.

Everytime tongues is spoken in Acts, Jews are present.

1 Cor. 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

And the verse before it is a quote of an OT prophecy related to the Jews (Isa.28:11).

1Cor.1:22 states that the Jews require a sign and that was who tongues was for the Jew.

It doesn't. My bible says that tongues were a sign unto them that believe not. Not one word about them being a sign unto Jews only. That's because they are a sign to them that believe not. That would be ANYONE who does not believe.

Well, you are not reading your Bible correctly (what a shock!).

Trying reading with some context, not splicing and dicing it to fit your own theology.

I have not misinterpreted the scriptures. Nor have I twisted them nor have I taken them out of context. I have posted the scriptures exactly as they appear in my authorized King James Version Bible. I have not added words nor have I taken any away.

No, you have misinterpreted the scriptures by ignoring the entire context of the verses stated.

The signs were for Jews, not Gentiles.

The fact is that tongues are a valid gift. And they are in use today. Don't believe it. That is your perogative. As for me, I believe that God's word is true.

No tongues are valid for today.

That is why people have to practice some gibberish, not the legimate languages that were spoken (Acts 2).

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And so you still have your weekly animal sacrifice?

Do you avoid pork?

God essence stays the same, but His dealings with men do change.

Even Paul lost his gift of healing by 2Tim.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

And Tongues was the least of all the gifts, so why you so hung up on it?

You are making the same error as the Corinthians did, only in their case, they had the gift of tongues, you do not.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Speaking of the covenants to Israel, not sign gifts that God removed once they were no longer necessary.

I am finished with this conversation. You have no idea what God has done for me in my life, or what He has done for my family. You have no idea the miracles that have taken place. To hear you say that what God has done is of satan , how He has healed me and those I care about, to hear you say that what God has done in my church that has brought many souls to Christ is of satan makes me very sad....for you. I know What God has done and I will give Him the praise for it.

Well, maybe despite being in a heresy, God has still blessed you because you did it in ignorance.

However, you have been shown the truth and I would urge you to search the scriptures instead of hardening your heart in the satanic deception of tongues.

Below is from David Cloud

The tongues of Acts are the tongues of 1 Corinthians 14. They were real languages that a believer could speak supernaturally. They were a sign to the nation Israel that God was going to send the gospel to every nation and create a new spiritual body composed of both Jews and Gentiles (1 Cor. 14:20-22, quoted Isaiah 28:11-13). Each time tongues were spoken in Acts (Acts 2, 8, 10, 19) Jews were present.

As the prophet Isaiah foretold, the Jews rejected the sign and were judged. Its purpose ceased even before the events recorded in the book of Acts were completed. The last mention of tongues is in Acts 19.

The sign, having been fulfilled, ceased. When John Chrysostom wrote in the 4th century about the sign gifts of 1 Corinthians 12-14, he said: "This whole place is very obscure: but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to, and BY THEIR CESSATION, being such as then used to occur but now no longer take place" ("Homilies on 1 Corinthians," Vol. XII, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Hom. 29:2).

There is no "private prayer language" in the New Testament.

It is the recent invention of Pentecostals and Charismatics who, having realized that they cannot speak in real tongues that can be interpreted (one of the absolute biblical requirements), were forced either to renounce their experience or to create some sort of cockeyed defense for it.

There is not one example of a prayer in the Bible that is uttered in unintelligible mutterings that "bypass the intellect."

Jesus Christ did not pray that way and neither did the apostles. I have heard Charismatics speak in their "private prayer language" in churches and conferences in many parts of the world.

I know that it must be an alleged "private prayer language" even though it is spoken in public, because they don't obey the Bible's command that all public tongues be interpreted.

Larry Lea's "private prayer language" at Indianapolis '90 went something like this: "Bubblyida bubblyida hallelujah bubblyida hallabubbly shallabubblyida kolabubblyida glooooory hallelujah bubblyida." I wrote that down as he was saying it and later checked it against the tape.

Nancy Kellar, a Roman Catholic nun who was on the executive committee of St. Louis 2000, spoke in "tongues" that went like this: "Shananaa leea, shananaa higha, shananaa nanaa, shananaa leeaS" repeated over and over.

Friends, this is not any sort of biblical prayer; it is childish nonsense, but it is neither innocent nor lacking in spiritual danger. The Bible warns repeatedly and forcefully about the danger of spiritual deception, and those who empty their minds are in danger of the devil filling them

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102 posted on 03/18/2006 11:53:26 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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