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To: The_Reader_David

Brother, you err. To stand by and allow an evil to continue is to be complicit in its work. Christians are to RESIST evil, and in some cases that means by force. Nowhere in scripture (not even from the mouth of Jesus) does it say we are to submit to evil and allow ourselves to be murdered. Please, take time on your knees and consider what you would do if face with a murdering hoard of Muslims trying to attack your basilica and to burn down your home with your family inside. Stop, be quiet before God, and ask Him for wisdom.
Might I suggest that when you are done with that, you take the next plane to Nigeria and offer assistance?


29 posted on 02/25/2006 9:04:15 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: LibreOuMort

No, it is you who err.

We honor the martyrs. Many, many saints there are who chose to triumph over evil by imitating Christ in His passion. The Church, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, triumphed over the Roman Empire, and made it her own nation by imitating her Lord, not by taking up arms against the evil of Nero, of Diocletian and the other persecuting Emperors.

Few indeed are those we call saints, who died in battle. St. Lazar and those who perished with him on the Field of Kosovo, a sainted king who perished by the sword of Penda of Mercia (whose name escapes me), and a handful of others (some of us commemorate St. Harold, Last Orthodox King of England). Few even are the saints who were warriors: St. Constantine, St. Olaf, St. Vladimir, St. Aleksandr Nevsky, St. Tamara of Georgia are all that come to mind beyond those already listed.

And yet, the few warrior saints there are, sometimes showed their sanctity in their battles: St. Tamara rode into battle at the head of her army, and brought many of the Muslim hill-tribes around Georgia to Christ during her reign in the 12th century, St. Aleksandr Nevsky defended Holy Russia against the Teutonic Knights and triumphed over them by God's help in the Battle-on-the-Ice.

As I said there is a balance, but the balance tips to the martyrs, to imitating Our Lord, and to a third course: fleeing from evil. The Fathers of the Church counsel us to flee from evil rather than fight or seek martyrdom. Too often those who seek martyrdom have not the grace to attain it. And yet, as I wrote before, the Church has never forbidden the laity to go to war, and has prayers to bless their arms.


30 posted on 02/25/2006 9:45:53 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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