Posted on 02/21/2006 8:59:09 PM PST by jecIIny
Anyone in a position of authoriy (including all elected and appointed officials and the fathers of familes, at least) have th eobligation to protect the people who depend on them. This is not retaliation---- retaliation is forbidden. ALL noncombatants must b protected. ALL captured and disarmed enemies must be treated decently. But what is needed is straight-ahead justified defense, using force, including potentially lethal force.
In the long run, the Muslims must turn aeway from their belligerent doctrines and be converted to Christ (as must we all.) They will do so through the love of Christians. Butin the short run, assaults on the innocent must be forcibly stopped.
Congratulations to you, you are one of the select few who have common sense when it comes to Gods word. The very idea that Gods followers stand by like cowardly little sheep is beyond revulsion. God demands that you do nothing to taint his spreading of his word, but that does not mean you must be murdered. Where this misundestanding of Gods words came from is very clear to me. It can only have come from satan. God tells his children constantly to fight the evil doers, yes, God even instructs us to put on armor for this fight.
Sir, I do commend your bible knowledge regarding the issues you mentioned. ABSOLUTELY, the thou shalt not kill is false and nothing more than a satanic lie. You are correct, it is thou shalt not murder. Furthermore, God clearly defines murder also, He leaves nothing to chance with his instructions. We too have vipers in our midst who would prefer to change Gods words to suit their purposes. God will deal with them at the appropriate time. You are also quite correct regarding the favorite passages of the Godless that they use to quote. It is doubly sad that a professed believer should be able to clear these matters us correctly, yet so often only adds to confusion.
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This fight, of course, is a civil war between the muslim northern Nigerians and the Christian southern Nigerians, but it is the same old war between darkness and light. Christian Nigerians have every right, even a duty, to stand up for their families and defend countless other Nigerians from muslim rule.
It is easy to take scriptures out of context and fulfill that old saying about the Christian that was "so Heavenly minded that he was of no earthly use.":)
Brother, you err. To stand by and allow an evil to continue is to be complicit in its work. Christians are to RESIST evil, and in some cases that means by force. Nowhere in scripture (not even from the mouth of Jesus) does it say we are to submit to evil and allow ourselves to be murdered. Please, take time on your knees and consider what you would do if face with a murdering hoard of Muslims trying to attack your basilica and to burn down your home with your family inside. Stop, be quiet before God, and ask Him for wisdom.
Might I suggest that when you are done with that, you take the next plane to Nigeria and offer assistance?
No, it is you who err.
We honor the martyrs. Many, many saints there are who chose to triumph over evil by imitating Christ in His passion. The Church, the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, triumphed over the Roman Empire, and made it her own nation by imitating her Lord, not by taking up arms against the evil of Nero, of Diocletian and the other persecuting Emperors.
Few indeed are those we call saints, who died in battle. St. Lazar and those who perished with him on the Field of Kosovo, a sainted king who perished by the sword of Penda of Mercia (whose name escapes me), and a handful of others (some of us commemorate St. Harold, Last Orthodox King of England). Few even are the saints who were warriors: St. Constantine, St. Olaf, St. Vladimir, St. Aleksandr Nevsky, St. Tamara of Georgia are all that come to mind beyond those already listed.
And yet, the few warrior saints there are, sometimes showed their sanctity in their battles: St. Tamara rode into battle at the head of her army, and brought many of the Muslim hill-tribes around Georgia to Christ during her reign in the 12th century, St. Aleksandr Nevsky defended Holy Russia against the Teutonic Knights and triumphed over them by God's help in the Battle-on-the-Ice.
As I said there is a balance, but the balance tips to the martyrs, to imitating Our Lord, and to a third course: fleeing from evil. The Fathers of the Church counsel us to flee from evil rather than fight or seek martyrdom. Too often those who seek martyrdom have not the grace to attain it. And yet, as I wrote before, the Church has never forbidden the laity to go to war, and has prayers to bless their arms.
Thanks for your excellent and very astute post also. You mention the Japanese and of course we could mention countless other agressors. I always ask people of all faiths about this attitude toward submission to other men vs. submission to their God. I just cant seem to get a real answer from the ultra religion types. So, your post is right on. They think they are heavenly, so they wont do much here on earth anyways. But I have news for these types, they will be called on the carpet for their shenanigans and will pay dearly, very dearly indeed.
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St. Harold, Last Orthodox King of England, pray for us sinners.
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