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To: xzins; Frumanchu; RnMomof7; kosta50; Kolokotronis; jo kus; annalex
I have long described myself as a calvinist in the tradition of Arminius.... ~~ xzins

Interestingly, the Arminians will endlessly try to claim for themselves the mantle of John Calvin...
...Whereas no Calvinist anywhere, ever, has any interest whatsoever in claiming for himself the mantle of Jacob Arminius.

The memory of John Calvin is relentlessly reviled, defamed, distorted, and burned in effigy by his Protestant theological opponents... and yet, at the same time, they all still wish to claim him for themselves.

Interesting. Verrrry Interesting.

28 posted on 01/26/2006 5:47:56 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

That doesn't surprise me. Arminius always described himself as a calvinist....saw himself as a calvinist.

Good to see you, OP.

In any case, I'm interested in what Arminius said about his thoughts rather than what others (whether opponents or uninformed supporters or mere strap-hangers) ascribe to him. That seems fair to me.

One said the other day that arminianism supports homosexuals being official representatives of a church. I have failed to find anyplace that Arminius did not advocate the biblical, natural husband/wife relationship. Thus my interest in Arminius' words rather than in what others thoughtlessly sling about.


29 posted on 01/26/2006 6:00:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Interestingly, the Arminians will endlessly try to claim for themselves the mantle of John Calvin... ...Whereas no Calvinist anywhere, ever, has any interest whatsoever in claiming for himself the mantle of Jacob Arminius.

Excellent point OP.We utterly reject his preversion of the reformation doctrines. He may have taught at a Calvinist University, he may even had called himself a "Calvinist", but as I always point out one can sleep in a garage and go BEEP Beep and call yourself a car, but that does not make it true. He was an anti Reformation crusader not a Protestant.

The memory of John Calvin is relentlessly reviled, defamed, distorted, and burned in effigy by his Protestant theological opponents... and yet, at the same time, they all still wish to claim him for themselves.

As I said previously they are not Protestants they protested the reformation not teachings of the Roman church. We can love our Arminian brothers and see them as in Christ with us, but I can not call them protestants >)

49 posted on 01/26/2006 9:10:01 AM PST by RnMomof7 ("Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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