The New "New Testament"

The Redneck Rastafarian ^ | 1/22/'06 | The Redneck Rastafarian (Zionist Conspirator)

[Zionist Conspirator]

I've got the worshippers of Rand, Jefferson, and Paine piling on me on my latest "crevo" thread, so I might as well offend everybody else. And I don't think this one will leave anybody out!

[Jaysun]

(the finger)

[Tax-chick]

I don't have time to read the whole rant, but it looks like you had fun, anyway. Bless your heart!

[Creationist]

There is a new covenant. It is called the New Testament.

The word testament is a derivation of the Latin word testamentum, which was used in Jerome's Vulgate to translate the Hebrew word b'rith, covenant. The Greek equivalent is diatheke, which also means covenant. The word has come to be used in describing the two main divisions of the Bible: The Old Testament and The New Testament. It should be understood then, that the Bible is generally to be looked at as a covenant between God and man. www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_t.htm

Israel is God's chosen people, but even they should live by the New Testament and the Old Testament.

Matthew 5:17
17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law,or the prophets: I am not come to destroy bur to fulfil.

Galatians 3:14,28-29
14. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond not free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[topcat54]

Those who follow Jesus Christ and identify with His people, the church, are the chosen ones of God.

"Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ... But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 1who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy." (1 Peter 2:4,5,9,10)

The only thing that those who fail to name the name of Christ are chosen for is destruction (Rom. 9:22).

[Zionist Conspirator]

I don't have time to read the whole rant, but it looks like you had fun, anyway. Bless your heart!

I only wish I'd remembered to bring the creation/evolution issue into it. Just as the Revelation at Sinai is the final seal of authority for the creation account of Genesis so liberals maintain that Auschwitz proves that we must never posit any ultimate meaning, since people who believe in ultimate meaning kill Jews.

Of course people who don't believe in ultimate meaning seem to have an ultimate meaning of their own.

[Zionist Conspirator]

A bit of advice (though you doubtless will ignore it): when you're dealing with someone who believes in the "new testament" you can "prove" something by quoting it. But when you're dealing with someone who doesn't assume the truth of the "new testament" from the get go, quoting it to "prove" something makes as much since as quoting the qoran.

Fundamentalist Protestants (whom I love dearly) have forgotten this since they stopped converting unbelievers long ago and their converts now consist of people who already believe the doctrines of the religion. I plan be`ezrat-HaShem to write on this soon.

[Tax-chick]

Of course people who don't believe in ultimate meaning seem to have an ultimate meaning of their own.

Excellent point. I've noticed that myself.

[Creationist]

You are right I will not heed to your advice. For if you post on a religion web you better be ready to see scripture. You quote from people whom many as my self do not accept as informative, with something to prove to us.

I am informing you of the scripture so when you meet God you can not say you never heard of it.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Of course people who don't believe in ultimate meaning seem to have an ultimate meaning of their own.

Excellent point. I've noticed that myself.

Free Republic has its own share of crusading atheists who celebrate the Grand Teleological Story of Science. Marx' "omega point" was a classless society. I guess atheist FReepers' is Randian Superman stomping the hoi polloi into nothingness.

[Tax-chick]

I have no time for Rand, I must say. Now if Thomas Sowell were put in charge of the whole world ...

[Uri’el-2012]

The only thing that those who fail to name the name of Christ are chosen for is destruction (Rom. 9:22).

What translation do you use, mine says:

Romans 9:22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his
power known, bore with great patience the objects of his
wrath — prepared for destruction?

How do you read the following verse?

Romans 10:13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” [Joel 2:32]

Do not Torah observant Jews call on the Name of the L-rd?

They may not know that His Name is Y'shua.

b'shem Y'shua

[topcat54]

Do not Torah observant Jews call on the Name of the L-rd? They may not know that His Name is Y'shua.

The Name of the Lord is Jesus. It is the same name by which God revealed Himself in the Old Testament.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." (John 8:56) Abraham was looking to Jesus for his salvation, just as we do today. Anyone who claims to know the Father must acknowledge the Son, Jesus Christ.

"Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me." (John 6:45)

Anyone who does not approach the Father by the Son is lost.

"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:10-12)

When Peter spoke these words, those who were appointed to eternal life from among the Jews believed and proclaimed the name of Jesus. Those who did not perished in their sins. It is no different today.

Jesus Christ and His Jewish apostles gave their very lives to bring the good news of Jesus Christ to their fellow Jews. If being "Torah observant" was enough, then their work was absolutely unnecessary. The Law can only bring death. Jesus Christ alone brings life and frees us from the penalty of the Law.

Anyone who claims a "Torah observant" Jew can be saved without trusting in the finished work of Christ is preaching another gospel. It is not the Christian gospel of Holy Scripture.

[Creationist]

Romans 9:22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath — prepared for destruction?

I did not post it and did not look it up for truth.

I use the KJV which uses old English. The old English words have not change in definition. Unless one understands Greek or Hebrew it is the closet to the translation of the original word.

Romans 9:22
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

choosing--to make a deliberate decision to do something
willing----ready to do something voluntary
bore---to make somebody lose interest and so feel tired or bored
endured---to tolerate or accept somebody or something that is extremely disagreeable
patience---the ability to endure waiting, delay or provocation without becoming annoyed or upset
long-suffering---patient and enduring in the face of suffering or difficulty
object---something that can be seen or tangible
vessel---somebody who embodies a quality.
prepared---ready and able to deal with
fitted---to be suitably adapted:
It is my belief that some of the other translations of the Bible remove the feeling from the Word of God by using words from today. As some with definitions from the dictionary.

An interesting read is The Language of the King James Bible (Discover its hidden Built-in Dictionary) By Gail Riplinger.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Just a friendly reminder: the main purpose of this article was to attack not chr*stianity, but the liberal Jewish cult of the Holocaust as being the basis of all modern life (and especially the war against religion). I can appreciate the need of chr*stians to respond but I would have liked some input on the actual topic of the article.

[theFIRMbss]

>the main purpose of this article was to attack not chr*stianity, but the liberal Jewish cult of the Holocaust

I do not know, but
I feel the urge to make sure
I am well grounded . . .

[Zionist Conspirator]

I have edited my newest essay to include the following paragraph:

One could even make the point that just as the Covenant of Sinai validated the Genesis narrative of Creation (since only G-d Himself actually witnessed those events), so the great slaughter is often used to vindicate the theory of ultimate meaninglessness and the completely random nature of creation. After all, people who believe in Meaning kill Jews; therefore belief in Meaning must be discouraged lest more Jews be killed. Never mind that these opponents of Meaning never seem to lack for motivation for any number of "progressive" moral/ethical crusades.

[Tax-chick]

This is really a very interesting point. You seem to be saying (or implying) that the "historiographical use," as it were, of the Holocaust has been to recast Judaism as a system based, not on fear of G-d, but simply on fear. The result is that the development of indifference to religion, or even of generalized (rather than particular) hostility toward religion, is seen by some as being a positive development for Jewish people.

[topcat54]

Then why the need for this comment?

"There is a reason that both the chr*stian and liberal "new covenants" try to retain the central place in human history of the Jewish People; it is because that place so objective that it cannot be denied. This being the case, why this need to create continual "new covenants" on which to base our lives when one already exists? The Covenant of Sinai (which includes and finalized the Covenant of Noach for non-Jews) is the final, definitive Revelation of G-d to mankind to which all further revelations must defer for judgement. It neither allows for nor authorizes any "new covenents" that supercede it or change the Jewish mission from what it has always been. Since the centrality of `Am Yisra'el in history is so obvious, then the authentic Jewish Covenant should be equally obvious."

It may not have been the main attack, but it was an attack against Christianity just the same. You realize we judge Sinai according to Christ, not vice versa.

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; " (Heb. 1:1,2)

[Uri’el-2012]

When Peter spoke these words, those who were appointed to eternal life from among the Jews believed and proclaimed the name of Jesus. Those who did not perished in their sins. It is no different today.

Jesus Christ and His Jewish apostles gave their very lives to bring the good news of Jesus Christ to their fellow Jews. If being "Torah observant" was enough, then their work was absolutely unnecessary. The Law can only bring death. Jesus Christ alone brings life and frees us from the penalty of the Law.

Anyone who claims a "Torah observant" Jew can be saved without trusting in the finished work of Christ is preaching another gospel. It is not the Christian gospel of Holy Scripture.

13 posted on 01/22/2006 7:10:33 PM MST by topcat54

Tell me how you read :

Romans 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so
that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a
hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer
will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

Romans 11:27 And this is [Or will be] my covenant with them when I take
away their sins.” [Isaiah 59:20,21; 27:9; Jer. 31:33,34]
Romans 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your
account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,

Romans 11:29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

They may not know His Name is Y'shua

b'shem Y'shua