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To: PetroniusMaximus
You see "our word" trinity in scripture because that is how the Church teaches us to understand God, it seems clear and logical today only because the early Church fathers settled this issue about 1600-1700 years ago. You know very well that this was far from a settled issue in the early Church, and in fact there are several "Christian" churches today that reject the trinitarian formula. Does there rejection of the Trinity have any impact on the truth of the Triune God? of course not, truth is not dependent on belief, it is what it is.

Same with purgatory, it is what it is, it is referenced in Scripture, not as often as the two ultimate ends to be sure, but I don't believe, and I really don't think that you truly believe, that the number of times something is mentioned in Scripture make it more real than if it is not mentioned specifically at all. If that were true than you and I would both agree that sola fide is anti biblical since the only time that particular phrase appears in the bible it is preceded by the words "not by". As someone mentioned, that 's not ambiguous at all, is it.

62 posted on 01/19/2006 11:46:35 AM PST by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: conservonator

"You see "our word""

I though you would like that ! :)


"because that is how the Church teaches us to understand God, it seems clear and logical today only because the early Church fathers settled this issue about 1600-1700 years ago."

And why/how did they settle it? Because the found it in the Scriptures!!! It was not revealed to them from heaven.



"Same with purgatory, it is what it is, it is referenced in Scripture, not as often as the two ultimate ends to be sure,"

"Not as often" - not at all. Not even once in an unambiguous fashion.



"and I really don't think that you truly believe, that the number of times something is mentioned in Scripture make it more real than if it is not mentioned specifically at all."

True, but a theological point needs to be expressed clearly ONE TIME - just one time. Jesus is clearly called God by the NT - so is the Holy Spirit.


"the only time that particular phrase appears in the bible it is preceded by the words "not by".

Luke 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.


63 posted on 01/20/2006 8:01:41 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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