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To: seamole
"Really? Where in the Bible is God's justice expressed in terms like "more than likely"?"

The Bible is clear that those who do not pursue righteousness will not see life. Period. The reason I said "more that likely" is because I believe it is possible for a person to become spiritually confused and loose the way for a time - even a long time - but eventually come back around. But the habitual sinner or the characteristically worldly person, religion or no, will not see the life to come. They may think that their life-long participation in Catholic ritual may allow them to "burn it off" in "purgatory" but if their hearts have never truly been changed by Christ in spiritual regeneration, they will die in their sins.


"Anyone consoled by Purgatory either does not understand it or does not believe in it."

I know many who believe that. It is akin to the person who believes they can wait and get right with God on their deathbed.


"The pains associated with the worst possible martyrdom on earth are nothing compared to the horrible pain associated with the lightest sentence in Purgatory."

What do you base this belief on?



"How many of these errors have been multiplied by the doctrine of sola scriptura? In its name so many have justified abortion, priestesses, aggressive war, homosexual marriage and even the stoning of adulteresses. And this is the result of sola scriptura understood correctly. The Scriptures themselves may be misunderstood, but the doctrine is not."

Well, then, in all fairness are we to lay the sodomizing of small children by homosexual priests and ensuing coverup by self-serving Bishops at the feet of the Magesterium? And is this the result of a Church taught correctly and infallibly by the Magesterium?



""Whose sins you forgive they are forgiven!" - who would not want the Apostles to forgive their sins?!?"

Have you never wondered why the Apostles are never shown "forgiving sins" in the NT? Let me put this to you - it is because the only proper use of the power to forgive sins in the NT is via the Apostolic commission to preach the Gospel - something we see the Apostles doing every chance they get! It is only though the preaching of the Gospel that the Apostles can share with others the one thing that brings the forgiveness of sins - belief in Jesus Christ.
103 posted on 01/25/2006 6:39:57 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus; seamole
According to St. Francis de Sales, purgatory is sort of a mixed bag. It's hot, but there is also joy and consolation. Apparently, it's more of a "dry heat."

In a more positive light, St. Francis de Sales wrote of the sufferings of Purgatory, but as they are mitigated by the consolations which accompany them: "We may draw from the thought of Purgatory more consolation than apprehension. The greater part of those who dread Purgatory so much think more of their own interests than of the interests of God’s glory; this proceeds from the fact that they think only of the sufferings without considering the peace and happiness which are there enjoyed by the holy souls. It is true that the torments are so great that the most acute sufferings of this life bear no comparison to them; but the interior satisfaction which is there enjoyed is such that no prosperity nor contentment upon earth can equal it. The souls are in a continual union with God." (Espirit de St. Francois de Sales, IX, p. 16, quoted in Purgatory by Rev. F. X. Shouppe, S.J.)

106 posted on 01/25/2006 9:33:54 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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