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To: P-Marlowe; Cronos; HarleyD; jo kus; annalex
It appears to me that you do not believe that God is either omnipotent or omniscient

I will end on this note: the Apostolic Church believes, and has always believed that God is omnipotent and omniscient. And that man was endowed with free will.

God, in his absolute power and sovereignty and wisdom and knowledge, foresees our free choices, but does not make the choice for us. We do not "surprise" God. Our free choice does not change or interfere with God's plan, or thwart God's will, or limit His power, or threaten His plan. He has foreseen and incorporated our choices into His plan.

He intended us to be free moral beings, in His likeness and in His image. Only beasts move by necessity. Human beings choose. Sin is made possible only by choice. If we have no choice, we are innocent. If we are innocent, our fall is an unjust punishment. Our repentence and our redemption become oxymorons.

All the best to all of you.

925 posted on 01/10/2006 9:45:04 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
He has foreseen and incorporated our choices into His plan.

If they are incorporated into his plan, then he has ordained everything that occurs. IOW your sins are as much a part of God's plan as your salvation. One man's salvation is part of God's plan and another man's damnation is equally a part of God's plan. I suspect you recoil at that fact.

Is God passive in all this? Does he hold our will inviolate? Did you make yourself willing to come to Christ, or did God by his mercy and grace make you willing? If He made you willing then you cannot claim it was YOUR free will that brought you to Christ, but God's will.

929 posted on 01/10/2006 11:12:38 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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