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To: P-Marlowe; HarleyD; Cronos
It appears to me that you do not believe that God is either omnipotent or omniscient. In other words, it appears that you are saying that God is helpless in the face of evil and that God does not know the future and that he created the world with absolutely no idea as to how it would turn out

Not at all! He is the Creator of everything and all. As an Orthodox Christian, I would say that He is a Mystery and beyond our comprehension. He is described in the Scriptures in anthropomorphic terms because of our limited intellect and vocabulary, and is by necessity not a true description of God. He message is true, merciful and just, even if we don't understand it, or see it, or comprehend it, or agree with it. This is His world. Why He does things is known but to Him.

I was simply making a "logical" flow chart of events according to what you reveal on this Forum collectively and I said it makes no sense that He would cause evil, and man's fall, and then become Flesh and suffer for our redemption when He has already "elected" some from before ages for that privilege. It's not God Who is at fault, obviously. We are with our imperfect knowledge, weakness, etc. It was not God's Covenant that was corrupt; it was rendered corrupt by the unbelieving Jews who were elect to witness the God of Abraham to all the nations of the world.

863 posted on 01/09/2006 9:42:01 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg; zeeba neighba; blue-duncan; HarleyD; Gamecock; Kolokotronis
He message is true, merciful and just, even if we don't understand it, or see it, or comprehend it, or agree with it. This is His world. Why He does things is known but to Him.

Why then do you insist that he does things differently than what is described in scripture? Scripture says that he chose his elect from the foundation of the earth. Yet you do not merely state that you don't understand what that means, you deny that it is true because you know that would mean that it was his will that everything that has occurred on this planet, the good, the bad and the ugly, is all a part of God's perfect plan. You disagree with what the scriptures say. Instead of declaring it a mystery, you deny it. When you deny it, you make God appear as if he didn't plan things to turn out exactly as they did. When you deny it, you make it seem as if God did not know who the elect were before the foundation of the earth and that he doesn't know who the elect are now.

He knows. He always has known. Deal with it.

867 posted on 01/09/2006 10:05:14 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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