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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; Kolokotronis; jo kus
I agree with you, but I don't think it has the salvational importance that I am seeing from the other sides

The salvational aspect of baptism is that it is for the remission of sins. Without the remission of sins there is no salvation because our salvation depends on God's mercy (forgiveness) of sins.

You say that you get Baptized because Christ commands it, but who cares about following Christ's commands who is without faith? No one. Faith comes first and is essential to following Christ's commands

Baptism restores us and places us under grace. Whether we follow in it or not is up to us; the but the mystery of restoration is has nothing to do with whther we believe or not. It's all God's doing.

You believe that you were "restored" before all ages, way before you had any faith, or even existed on this earth, so your rationalization here is faulty.

Does this mean that you don't recognize the Baptisms of Protestants and Catholics?

Catholic and some Protestant baptisms are "valid" insofar as they are done by water and in the name of the Ftaher, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Aby other type of baptism (in the name of Christ, for instance) are not accepted.

All heterodox baptisms must be followed up with chrismation (anoiniting with oil), or confirmation as it is known in the Latin Church, which serves as the Seal of the Holy Spirit which you can never lose.

That's good. Our Sunday Schools start at age 3, and continue for life

Praxis is a little bit more than Bible reading Sunday school, FK.

7,851 posted on 06/06/2006 4:47:13 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; jo kus
The salvational aspect of baptism is that it is for the remission of sins. Without the remission of sins there is no salvation because our salvation depends on God's mercy (forgiveness) of sins.

Salvationally speaking, since we are only talking about adult Baptism here, what is the difference between Baptism and a regular confession?

You believe that you were "restored" before all ages, way before you had any faith, or even existed on this earth, so your rationalization here is faulty.

I don't think so. From God's POV everything is already settled, but from our POV we are predestined for what WILL happen. Actual salvation and the Spirit indwelling are still events in time that take place. We believe that happens only to believers. If we thought that we were already restored in time before belief then our whole concept of original sin would be meaningless.

8,101 posted on 06/07/2006 9:10:46 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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