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To: Forest Keeper; wmfights
I didn't know you thought most of the Bible was parabolic. That would make much more expansive interpretations more possible. Is that the view of the Church, or is that something upon which good Catholics may disagree?

I believe it is true that the scripture has many facets. Very often they record a specific event, which can be taken as a simple narrative (for example, Jesus turned water into wine) but also it showed His divinity; it tells us that Mary intercedes for our needs; it relates to Christ as bridegroom of the Church; it prefigures the Eucharist where wine is transsubstantated into His blood; it tells us that the latter revelation of Christ is of greater importance than the earlier revelation of the Prophets.

In the eunuch story it is of course true that on its surface it is a mere anecdote from the life of Apostle Philip. But since the scripture mentions it among, we are sure, many other episodes from the Apostle's life, we have to believe that it has a deeper meaning and that it illustrates a general principle of transmission of knowledge from the apostles to the laity.

I disagree that the Apostles were equivalent to today's Roman Catholic Church.

Based on what? I gave you the scripture that says that they were sent by Christ; He promised us a Church and the final chapters of the Gospels and the Acts tell us how the Church was built. The pastoral letters tell us how that Church was steered away from error. For ten centuries there was but one Church run from Rome. Christ foresaw the schisms, but he also prays that in the end His Church will be one, and so it will be. When, do you think, the Catholic Church became distinct from the whatever "church" you have in mind?

7,807 posted on 06/05/2006 3:10:59 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; wmfights
FK: "I disagree that the Apostles were equivalent to today's Roman Catholic Church."

Based on what? I gave you the scripture that says that they were sent by Christ; He promised us a Church and the final chapters of the Gospels and the Acts tell us how the Church was built. ... When, do you think, the Catholic Church became distinct from the whatever "church" you have in mind?

I base it on this entire thread, that for the statement to be true, the Apostles wrote what they never meant to say. Instead, they wrote only in riddles and puzzles that would confound the layman throughout time. This is not plausible.

On the second question, the church I have in mind is the Church of God, the one that Jesus formed. Of course there can be no one date when Catholicism "left" this church. From the quotes I've seen here, it doesn't look like things got off to a great start, although I am mindful that all of the quotes I have seen are probably the main ones with which I have disagreement. I would guess it is entirely possible that there are zillions of noncontroversial quotes from the early Fathers with which I would fully agree. Nevertheless, I see it as a gradual process, with power in the Church ever increasing. That power led to corruption in new ways not seen before until finally, God led some men to risk their lives to oppose the abuse. Then God gave birth to the Reformation.

7,981 posted on 06/07/2006 4:39:13 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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