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"On Job being sinless] Eschewing evil pretty much means being sinless. It's actually not that rare: the term "blameless" is also used for Noah (Gen 6:9), Abraham (Gen 17:1) and in Deut. 18:13 "Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God."

I think I have it now Sheep and goats can be sinless (Lev. 22:21); weights and measures can be sinless (Dt. 25:15); dice can be sinless, but not bingo, I'm sure casinos will rest peacefully knowing this(1 Sam. 14:41); all the men of war were sinless (1Chr. 12:38); all the people of Israel were sinless (1 Chr. 29"9); gold is sinless, I won't tell my wife (2 Chr. 4:21); hatred is sinless (Ps. 139:22); days are sinless (Prov. 4:8); the bud, not THE BUD, the cool one, is sinless (Isa. 18:5) and finally beauty is sinless, that I will tell my wife and get a hot meal tonight (Ezek. 27:3,11,12).

I bet you didn't know how much of creation was not subject to the fall. I especially like that dice thing. All sorts of possibilities open for the church with that, especially if we can pick and choose the definition of perfect and then contextualize or use a "dynamic" translation technique to bring it current.

LOL. Yep, natural law misses the point of the Fall entirely.

How does one have a sound belief system when it is predicated on error from the beginning?

Adam fell hard.

I bet you didn't know how much of creation was not subject to the fall. I especially like that dice thing. All sorts of possibilities open for the church with that, especially if we can pick and choose the definition of perfect and then contextualize or use a "dynamic" translation technique to bring it current.

You're right, I had no idea. :) I liked the 1 Sam. quote about the dice too. Hmmm. Sinless dice. I could use a pair of those. Of course I would donate everything to the poor. :)