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To: annalex; jo kus; kosta50; HarleyD; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration
The Catholic teaching can be, perhaps called perseverance of the elect, ... -- We believe that the very fact that the Gospel speaks so much about perseverance, moral behavior and charity points to the presence of free will in the faithful, who can choose for the good or for the evil on his own accord; he can therefore respond to grace with good works or fail to do so and perish.

I presume that you would say that all of the elect go to heaven. It cannot be an accident that all of the elect just happen to persevere on their own free will choices. Therefore, do you then believe that God's elect are REALLY only those who choose of their own free will to persevere? If God does not actually choose His own elect, why should they not be called man's elect?

7,737 posted on 06/04/2006 7:47:08 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus; kosta50; HarleyD; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration
Therefore, do you then believe that God's elect are REALLY only those who choose of their own free will to persevere? If God does not actually choose His own elect, why should they not be called man's elect?

Yes, the elect are those who persevered of their own free will. However, it is God's grace that animated their choices, therefore they are God's elect.

7,805 posted on 06/05/2006 2:50:54 PM PDT by annalex
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