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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; jo kus; 1000 silverlings
2 Timothy says nothing about individual interpretation and neither does Sola Scriptura

And whose interpretation are you following, FK? Let me guess: it's yours, but it's "guided" by the Holy Spirit?

You know, there can be only one Truth, and not tens of thousands of them, which is what the Sola Scriptura community is: a multitude of self-righteous interpretations of the same Truth!

You keep ignoring the fact that (1) the bible was not available for people to study for at least 300 years after the Lord departed from earth. The individual scrolls, mixed with various gnostic forgeries, were not cataloged, or neatly indexed with corss-references, for an average middle East farmer to sit next to an oil lamp and read.

(2) When it became available, it did not look like our Bibles look today, neatly divided into sections with explanatory notes such as my Thomas Nelson's KJV, with the Lord's words in red. (3) The only people who knew anything about the faith were church fathers, bishops, priests and deacons who were schooled in the faith and could use the Scriptures for reference and understand them the way a doctor can use references otherwise unintelligible to a lay person because it rewuires more than reading comprehension — it requires a synesis of many aspects of knowledge.

Except for those who were specially gifted to become apsotles, as sounding borads through whom God spoke directly to the people, the rest of us have to learn.

(4) Even if the Bible were available, the majority (90% or more) of the population was illiterate. (5) The Bible in the west was written in Latin whereas the majority of the people did not speak that language. (6) Even when they were translated from Latin into native tongues (German, English), you still had to contend with the vast majority of people being unschooled and therefore incapable of reading the Bible, let along understanding it. (7) Even when education became more widespread and people could at least read, the Bibles were not cheap and readily affordable for an average person.

Thus, it is clear that if God wanted us to use "sola scriptura" He would have devised a better plan to spread His Truth among all nations. And He did — He established His Church. That Church now contains some 1.5 billion people (Roman Catholic and Orthodox) who share 99% of that Truth (which is why both are called "catholic"), the 1% being a vestige of human inability to properly express that which we both know — by concensus, as always.

7,656 posted on 06/03/2006 3:37:46 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; annalex; jo kus; 1000 silverlings; Kolokotronis
And whose interpretation are you following, FK? Let me guess: it's yours, but it's "guided" by the Holy Spirit?

I follow the Bible's interpretation of itself. The Holy Spirit leads in His own way for every Christian, in His own time. Further truths are revealed as He sees fit. BTW, is every jot and tittle of the Bible settled in interpretation in your Church? I doubt it. What do you do for interpretation when the Church has not ruled on an issue? Since the Holy Spirit does not speak to you as a layman, according to your beliefs, you must be left hung out to dry on all of those issues.

You keep ignoring the fact that (1) the bible was not available for people to study for at least 300 years after the Lord departed from earth.

I'm not ignoring it, I have said before that I think that the Apostles taught correctly. After that, it's anyone's guess. I'm sure that many were correct on many things, but error appeared, and then grew, until finally God had had enough and decided to start the Reformation movement.

(3) The only people who knew anything about the faith were church fathers, bishops, priests and deacons who were schooled in the faith ...

None of this saves any of them from potential corruption. Men are fallible.

(4) Even if the Bible were available, the majority (90% or more) of the population was illiterate.

That's what teaching FROM the Bible (or from the teachings of the Bible) is for. We support that. Baptists spend tens of millions of dollars a year sending missionaries to countries where the Bible hasn't even been translated in their language yet, or is otherwise illegal for a person to own. The teachings go forward, and we believe it is God's will. Sola Scriptura includes oral teaching.

(5) The Bible in the west was written in Latin whereas the majority of the people did not speak that language.

Don't blame the Protestants for that! :) In the West, there was a concerted effort to keep the Bible inaccessible to the layman, supposedly for his own good. I don't buy it for a second.

7,844 posted on 06/06/2006 2:04:37 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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