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To: HarleyD
"Those who think they have a license to sin are not changed and saved by grace. They are still in sin. Those who are saved by grace and changed, desire to show forth the fruits of that salvation. God motions the heart to good work, and continues that good work to the end. John 6:37-39,..."
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Interesting post, but I think he got it wrong when saying "OSAS" teaches you can go out and sin all you want. I think the distinction is that when someone is saved (once saved) the HOLY SPIRIT will seal that person and dwell in them. Thus, if you are truly SAVED the desire to sin will die over time as the HOLY SPIRIT convicts you in that sin. Due to the actions of the HOLY SPIRIT the true believer will persevere to the end (joyfully) and therefore is "Always Saved".
7,539 posted on 06/01/2006 12:15:42 PM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg
Interesting post, but I think he got it wrong when saying "OSAS" teaches you can go out and sin all you want.

I would agree. I think the author is a bit harsh in his views on OSAS.

I believe the author is responding to the belief that a man could become "carnal" and live his life in a state of worldliness and still be saved. POTS would state that it's doubtful the person was ever saved to begin with because the Lord would chastise a true believer to a point of repentence. They would not be able to live their life in sin; keeping in mind that bringing a person to repentence could take days, years or even decades to achieve as the Lord wills. POTS eliminates the idea that a man could become a Christian, "fall" away from the faith in some "carnal" state, and go out and live their lives anyway they want, never again to return to the fold. It can't happen.

Personally, as Dr. E stated there isn't much difference between the two views. Trying to sound objective and fair, and as one who believed in OSAS for many years with my Baptist leanings, POTS has far more scriptural backing than OSAS and simply makes more sense. I would suggest studying the scriptures that are posted on the website and see if you don't concur.

7,543 posted on 06/01/2006 12:55:27 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luke 24:45)
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