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To: fortheDeclaration
Now, Abraham did not work for his righteousness, his works showed it.

Thus, without his "work", he wasn't righteous.

And quoting James 2:14 out of context doesn't change the truth of justification by faith alone in Christ alone.

Please explain how I "misquoted" a verse that completely denies we are saved by faith alone? The entire chapter 2 is about how a man without faith will not be saved - and goes on to describe how Abraham was saved by his works (with faith)

I agree, that works alone doesn't save. But neither does faith.

Regaards

7,406 posted on 05/31/2006 5:59:50 AM PDT by jo kus (There is nothing colder than a Christian who doesn't care for the salvation of others - St.Crysostom)
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To: jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg
Now, Abraham did not work for his righteousness, his works showed it. Thus, without his "work", he wasn't righteous.

Ofcourse he was, he obtained his rightousness back in Gen.15, long before he offered up Issac.

His offering showed that righteousness and his own spiritual growth (hence his friendship with God)

And quoting James 2:14 out of context doesn't change the truth of justification by faith alone in Christ alone. Please explain how I "misquoted" a verse that completely denies we are saved by faith alone? The entire chapter 2 is about how a man without faith will not be saved - and goes on to describe how Abraham was saved by his works (with faith)

I didn't say you misquoted it, I said you quoted it out of context.

I agree, that works alone doesn't save. But neither does faith.

Well, faith in Christ alone does save.

Now, He that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for rightousness'(Rom.4:5) is very clear.

Clear scripture interprets more obscure scripture, that is a basic rule of hermeneutics.

James is not talking about obtaining salvation, and contradicting what Paul said, he is talking about showing salvation (hence the use of the word 'shew me').

James is written like a wisdom book, such as proverbs.

In proverbs, it is right living that is blessed, but those who do wrong are cursed.

A man's faith will not save him from that discipline, such as was the case of 'just' Lot.

7,440 posted on 05/31/2006 1:03:14 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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