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To: jo kus
Christ chose to save us through the above means. God saves us using many different instruments.

No, Christ chose to save you by grace alone through faith alone. Show me anywhere in the Bible where it says you are saved through any other means or any other instrument.

738 posted on 01/09/2006 5:36:19 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
No, Christ chose to save you by grace alone through faith alone. Show me anywhere in the Bible where it says you are saved through any other means or any other instrument.

I agree we are saved by grace alone, but not faith alone. The Scripture actually says the opposite, that we are NOT saved by faith alone (James 2:24). NOWHERE does the Scripture say we are saved by faith ALONE. It tells us that we are not saved by works of the law (Romans 3:28), but language tells us that Paul is not excluding OTHER means of salvation.

"For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"(Romans 8:24)

"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:' (1 Peter 3:20-21) "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." (1 Cor 3:14-15)

, which goes well with: "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24), or

"(For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." (Romans 2:13)

"We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death." (1 John 3:14)

"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23)

"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:54)

"And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." (1 Cor 13:2)

We are saved by faith, by hope, by baptism, by his "works" (which is also called "love"), by abiding in Christ through the Eucharist, and as the last verse states, faith working through love, not alone.

Most of the verses that discuss faith and salvation are implying that one also walks in the commandments and loves their neighbor. Faith without love doesn't save.

Regards Regards

753 posted on 01/09/2006 6:21:00 AM PST by jo kus
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